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What would I change? The second row should be a 3 part seat, vs 2 part seat. My 10 year old Volvo XC90 has a 3 part seat! It's way more convenient. You can fold the middle section and each of the two passengers can have a proper seat.
 
das said:
What would I change? The second row should be a 3 part seat, vs 2 part seat. My 10 year old Volvo XC90 has a 3 part seat! It's way more convenient. You can fold the middle section and each of the two passengers can have a proper seat.
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Then I'm confused about what a proper seat is. Not a single one of the many adults who have gotten into the second row of our Gravity has done so without exclaiming what a roomy and comfortable place it is.
 
das said:
What would I change? The second row should be a 3 part seat, vs 2 part seat. My 10 year old Volvo XC90 has a 3 part seat! It's way more convenient. You can fold the middle section and each of the two passengers can have a proper seat.
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Are you saying that for folding/cargo convenience? There’s no way three people could fit in the third row. I’ve gotten great feedback from all who have sat there and don’t know how a third “seat” would help with cargo.
 
Ron_Burgundy said:
Are you saying that for folding/cargo convenience? There’s no way three people could fit in the third row. I’ve gotten great feedback from all who have sat there and don’t know how a third “seat” would help with cargo.
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What they mean is that instead of being a 60/40 folding seat in the second row they wish it were three individual foldable seats, so they could fold the middle one down to use as a passthrough for long/large cargo while still seating two passengers in the second row in the “normal” seats.

It’s a fair point, except that the middle seat is so roomy it may as well be a “normal” seat, so it doesn’t apply in Gravity the same way it does in other vehicles.

None of it has anything to do with the third row.
 
borski said:
What they mean is that instead of being a 60/40 folding seat in the second row they wish it were three individual foldable seats, so they could fold the middle one down to use as a passthrough for long/large cargo while still seating two passengers in the second row in the “normal” seats.

It’s a fair point, except that the middle seat is so roomy it may as well be a “normal” seat, so it doesn’t apply in Gravity the same way it does in other vehicles.

None of it has anything to do with the third row.
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Got it. Was reading too fast. I thought the second row middle does go down as a pass through for skis, etc…never tried though.
 
borski said:
What they mean is that instead of being a 60/40 folding seat in the second row they wish it were three individual foldable seats, so they could fold the middle one down to use as a passthrough for long/large cargo while still seating two passengers in the second row in the “normal” seats.

It’s a fair point, except that the middle seat is so roomy it may as well be a “normal” seat, so it doesn’t apply in Gravity the same way it does in other vehicles.

None of it has anything to do with the third row.
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It is a fair point. I thought the OP was saying that the Volvo provided proper seats whereas the Gravity doesn't.

If you want to remove my earlier post I'd be fine with that. And apologies to @das for my misunderstanding of his point.
 
Zzzt said:
I'd motorize the charge port door so it can auto-close.
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Funny, the Air's auto-close door has been a regular annoyance for me. It's clunky and slow to open, and is always trying to auto-close just as I finally have the DC fast charger initiated and I'm ready to shove in the CCS cable. Our Volvo's simply manual charge port door is so much faster and easier to use in both opening and closing. I'm very much looking forward to having a manual door again on our Gravity or ???.
 
DeaneG said:
Funny, the Air's auto-close door has been a regular annoyance for me. It's clunky and slow to open, and is always trying to auto-close just as I finally have the DC fast charger initiated and I'm ready to shove in the CCS cable. Our Volvo's simply manual charge port door is so much faster and easier to use in both opening and closing. I'm very much looking forward to having a manual door again on our Gravity or ???.
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Well…the auto cinch doors on the comfort and convenience package on the Gravity are strange. They take a second to open - and I am always convinced I am going to rip the handle off.

And, there seems to be nothing electric about the closing. They just thud shut. I was expecting a close like the old trunks where it would close and then be slowly pulled in, but that doesn’t happen….just odd.
 
Ron_Burgundy said:
Well…the auto cinch doors on the comfort and convenience package on the Gravity are strange. They take a second to open - and I am always convinced I am going to rip the handle off.

And, there seems to be nothing electric about the closing. They just thud shut. I was expecting a close like the old trunks where it would close and then be slowly pulled in, but that doesn’t happen….just odd.
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Ah, I was talking about the charge port door.
For the passenger doors, I didn't notice exactly how Gravity test drive car's were different than my Air's doors, except that they seemed more refined at closing.
 
DeaneG said:
Ah, I was talking about the charge port door.
For the passenger doors, I didn't notice exactly how Gravity test drive car's were different than my Air's doors, except that they seemed more refined at closing.
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My bad. Reading way too fast today! Second time I’ve done that.

I am amazed at how “annoying” it is to have a manual charge port door, but the service folks told me they had a bunch of issues with the Air’s port door and decided that for the Gravity, they’d go old school.
 
Ron_Burgundy said:
...I am amazed at how “annoying” it is to have a manual charge port door, but the service folks told me they had a bunch of issues with the Air’s port door and decided that for the Gravity, they’d go old school.
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I was likely one of the voices that encouraged that decision after a bad DCFC charging experience at South Lake Tahoe - EA's DCFC initialization kept failing, the car's charge port door kept closing on me, and the car kept bluetooth-grabbing my phone calls to EA customer service as I was standing outside it in the wind, barely able to heard EA anyway, trying to get a charge to go home. Took an hour and a half, and at least ten tries at four different charging stands to get it to work, with the charge port door trundling slowly open and prematurely closed repeatedly.
 
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Ron_Burgundy said:
And, there seems to be nothing electric about the closing. They just thud shut. I was expecting a close like the old trunks where it would close and then be slowly pulled in, but that doesn’t happen….just odd.
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The doors do soft close in my gravity as you describe but you have to shut them very gently for it to happen.
 
Ron_Burgundy said:
I am amazed at how “annoying” it is to have a manual charge port door, but the service folks told me they had a bunch of issues with the Air’s port door and decided that for the Gravity, they’d go old school.
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I’m surprised at how often I temporarily forget to close the door but I am a person who had an issue with the air charger door (99% of the time it wouldn’t open the first time and open didn’t close and service guy told me more than once that it was dirty…it was not) so I do prefer the gravity charge door…definitely takes getting used to though.
 
hmp10 said:
It is a fair point. I thought the OP was saying that the Volvo provided proper seats whereas the Gravity doesn't.

If you want to remove my earlier post I'd be fine with that. And apologies to @das for my misunderstanding of his point.
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@Ron_Burgundy @hmp10 @borski

Thanks, yes i meant that the middle of the second row should fold down.

Also what I meant by proper seats is that while i'm sure the middle seat is comfortable and roomy, they are never as comfortable as the outer seats. Use case: Ski road trip with wife and 2 kids. It's way more comfortable for kids to have the outside seats, put their pillows against the doors to sleep, vs one of them trying to sleep in the middle seat with their head bobbing around. It was a huge selling point for us with the XC90.

It also allows them to take advantage of the folding trays for reading, food, colouring etc. (we don't do screens in cars).

And I'm not sure about your kids, but my kids tend to find a way to fight when they are next to each other for hours on end.

I'm just really surprised with a vehicle at this price point they failed on this part. I guess if we end up with one, i'll have to jerry rig something up.

Sure, i could throw on a roof box, but at that completely defeats the purpose of buying the most space efficient SUV, right?

EDIT: also for families with child seats and booster seats it's always easier to have them in the outer seats. Fortunately we are past that stage at least!!!
 
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das said:
@Ron_Burgundy @hmp10 @borski

Thanks, yes i meant that the middle of the second row should fold down.

Also what I meant by proper seats is that while i'm sure the middle seat is comfortable and roomy, they are never as comfortable as the outer seats. Use case: Ski road trip with wife and 2 kids. It's way more comfortable for kids to have the outside seats, put their pillows against the doors to sleep, vs one of them trying to sleep in the middle seat with their head bobbing around. It was a huge selling point for us with the XC90.

It also allows them to take advantage of the folding trays for reading, food, colouring etc. (we don't do screens in cars).

And I'm not sure about your kids, but my kids tend to find a way to fight when they are next to each other for hours on end.

I'm just really surprised with a vehicle at this price point they failed on this part. I guess if we end up with one, i'll have to jerry rig something up.

Sure, i could throw on a roof box, but at that completely defeats the purpose of buying the most space efficient SUV, right?

EDIT: also for families with child seats and booster seats it's always easier to have them in the outer seats. Fortunately we are past that stage at least!!!
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I believe the key issue here is that in the Volvo XC90, the middle row seats are manually adjusted. The Gravity middle row seats are electrically (motorized) controlled. They are also auto triggered to move out of way when you drop 3rd row. Having independent middle section in 2nd row would greatly complicate electrical controls.
 
Ron_Burgundy said:
. . . the service folks told me they had a bunch of issues with the Air’s port door and decided that for the Gravity, they’d go old school.
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Ah, if only they had done that for opening the doors and starting the car.
 
das said:
@Ron_Burgundy @hmp10 @borski

Thanks, yes i meant that the middle of the second row should fold down.

Also what I meant by proper seats is that while i'm sure the middle seat is comfortable and roomy, they are never as comfortable as the outer seats. Use case: Ski road trip with wife and 2 kids. It's way more comfortable for kids to have the outside seats, put their pillows against the doors to sleep, vs one of them trying to sleep in the middle seat with their head bobbing around. It was a huge selling point for us with the XC90.

It also allows them to take advantage of the folding trays for reading, food, colouring etc. (we don't do screens in cars).

And I'm not sure about your kids, but my kids tend to find a way to fight when they are next to each other for hours on end.

I'm just really surprised with a vehicle at this price point they failed on this part. I guess if we end up with one, i'll have to jerry rig something up.

Sure, i could throw on a roof box, but at that completely defeats the purpose of buying the most space efficient SUV, right?

EDIT: also for families with child seats and booster seats it's always easier to have them in the outer seats. Fortunately we are past that stage at least!!!
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Got it. So I re-read initial post and I am still a bit confused. As you said, my kids take the outer two seats in second row on a road trip. They then put the middle arm rest of the Gravity down as an arm rest and - as you referred to - effectively a demilitarized zone so they don’t beat each other. They just did that last night.

So when they fold, yes, they’re 60/40, but I don’t understand what a proper middle seat would be given the kids always want the outer seats anyway. Sorry if I am being dense. I was generally the last kid in class to every catch on!
 
hmp10 said:
Ah, if only they had done that for opening the doors and starting the car.
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Would you have preferred an old school key? Or, the tried and true fob tech that basically every other brand seems to be able to get right… 😏

What I don’t get, and it’s the same with my Rivian, is why we need to use the key card to unlock the car, and then again to start it? Just give us 60 seconds to put our foot on the brake and start it. It’s certainly not a theft deterrent as if you have the key card, you can still start the car….our Tesla has the option in the app and then you have something like two minutes to put your foot in the brake.
 
One thing I’d probably change - the auto cinch doors. I don’t really know what they’re supposed to do, but everyone thinks the door is broken or locked when getting in…and they just slam shut - no soft close. Are mine not working right? I may have posted this earlier. Now that we have several threads and categories, I am getting confused about where I posted! The Gravity part of the forum has ramped much more quickly than the Gravity itself!
 
das said:
Also what I meant by proper seats is that while i'm sure the middle seat is comfortable and roomy, they are never as comfortable as the outer seats. Use case: Ski road trip with wife and 2 kids. It's way more comfortable for kids to have the outside seats, put their pillows against the doors to sleep, vs one of them trying to sleep in the middle seat with their head bobbing around. It was a huge selling point for us with the XC90.
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It's another example of why buyers need to assess a car against their personal use cases. Our priority was replacing our Honda Odyssey with a vehicle that would transport six older adults comfortably for fairly long hauls.

Not that we hadn't already pretty much decided on a Gravity given how much we love our Lucid Air, but we did go to the trouble of checking out a Volvo XC90 at a local dealer since it seemed to be one of the very few contenders we thought worth considering before shutting the door. While its front seats were supremely comfortable, we found the second and especially the third rows more cramped than the Gravity's. And there was a sense of overall spaciousness throughout the Gravity's cabin that we found in nothing else on the market. (We did not test drive but did also sit in a Rivian R1S and in a Kia EV9 with captains chairs). The Gravity carries on Lucid's focus on producing space engineering miracles.

But I confess I remain disappointed that the Gravity does not offer captains chairs.
 
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