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momo3605 said:
For someone who loves minivans and enjoys the gravity for having the utility of a minivan, you’re quite insistent that the Gravity is NOTHING LIKE a minivan 😂
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Then you haven't been paying attention. I have posted several times that the Gravity has elements of a minivan . . . as well as elements of an SUV and a station wagon, thus really being not quite any one of the three categories.
 
hmp10 said:
Then you haven't been paying attention. I have posted several times that the Gravity has elements of a minivan . . . as well as elements of an SUV and a station wagon, thus really being not quite any one of the three categories.
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You keep saying you wish there was a minivan on Lucid’s platform. So what’s wrong with saying that the Gravity fits your use case for that? It’s like you’re ashamed for the Gravity.

I think it’s pretty obvious that they combined elements of SUV and Minivan to make the Gravity. If you’re a minivan lover, you should love the Gravity. If you’re an Escalade sized SUV lover but want something more compact, you should also love the Gravity! The design is a home run for a lot of people once they get the opportunity to see them up close and the size/space etc…

I’m more concerned about advertising and marketing and affordability of the Gravity. I don’t think prospective buyers give a crap if it looks like a little like a minivan.
 
hmp10 said:
Then you haven't been paying attention. I have posted several times that the Gravity has elements of a minivan . . . as well as elements of an SUV and a station wagon, thus really being not quite any one of the three categories.
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Agree, Lucid created a new category- blend of a minivan, station wagaon and a SUV.....with the advantages of all 3!
 
Batteryman said:
Agree, Lucid created a new category- blend of a minivan, station wagaon and a SUV.....with the advantages of all 3!
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It’s a Suminigon!
 
momo3605 said:
You keep saying you wish there was a minivan on Lucid’s platform. So what’s wrong with saying that the Gravity fits your use case for that? It’s like you’re ashamed for the Gravity.
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You persist in misreading what I actually wrote, I suppose in an attempt to make some kind of point. In the early days of my Air ownership I posted that I would love to have something like our Honda Odyssey on a Lucid platform, not because I care about the form per se, but because I was so smitten with Lucid's platform dynamics and the Odyssey's multi-purpose utility and thought the combo would make a great vehicle. But once the Gravity came into clearer focus, I posted several times that my dream vehicle used to be a Honda Odyssey on a Lucid platform. And those comments were followed by remarks that Lucid went well beyond that with the Gravity, creating a vehicle that had the performance and handling to which no minivan could aspire while preserving or even bettering a minivan's space utilization . . . and doing so in a much racier body.

I have absolutely no idea where you would get the idea that I am ashamed for the Gravity. I have seen one in person three times and ordered one within hours of the order configurator opening up. I don't think it looks like a minivan. Some people do. So what? It's a vehicle I'm chomping at the bit to put myself in on the road.

If you want to pick a fight about it by throwing my posts back at me, at least represent those posts accurately.
 
momo3605 said:
You keep saying you wish there was a minivan on Lucid’s platform. So what’s wrong with saying that the Gravity fits your use case for that? It’s like you’re ashamed for the Gravity.

I think it’s pretty obvious that they combined elements of SUV and Minivan to make the Gravity. If you’re a minivan lover, you should love the Gravity. If you’re an Escalade sized SUV lover but want something more compact, you should also love the Gravity! The design is a home run for a lot of people once they get the opportunity to see them up close and the size/space etc…

I’m more concerned about advertising and marketing and affordability of the Gravity. I don’t think prospective buyers give a crap if it looks like a little like a minivan.
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hmp10 said:
You persist in misreading what I actually wrote, I suppose in an attempt to make some kind of point. In the early days of my Air ownership I posted that I would love to have something like our Honda Odyssey on a Lucid platform, not because I care about the form per se, but because I was so smitten with Lucid's platform dynamics and the Odyssey's multi-purpose utility and thought the combo would make a great vehicle. But once the Gravity came into clearer focus, I posted several times that my dream vehicle used to be a Honda Odyssey on a Lucid platform. And those comments were followed by remarks that Lucid went well beyond that with the Gravity, creating a vehicle that had the performance and handling to which no minivan could aspire while preserving or even bettering a minivan's space utilization . . . and doing so in a much racier body.

I have absolutely no idea where you would get the idea that I am ashamed for the Gravity. I have seen one in person three times and ordered one within hours of the order configurator opening up. I don't think it looks like a minivan. Some people do. So what? It's a vehicle I'm chomping at the bit to put myself in on the road.

If you want to pick a fight about it by throwing my posts back at me, at least represent those posts accurately.
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At 10:32 a.m. I posted, "I think the Gravity has clear elements of a minivan . . . ."

Two posts later, at 10:36 a.m. @momo3605 posted back to me that, "For someone who loves minivans and enjoys the gravity for having the utility of a minivan, you’re quite insistent that the Gravity is NOTHING LIKE a minivan. [@momo3605's emphasis]"

I've gotten sick of so much public discourse proceeding on the basis of deliberate misrepresentations or outright lies, and my temper is going to flare when I see it happen on this forum with my own posts.

I enjoy a good argument, but I try to adhere to certain rules, one of them being that honesty and good faith matter in argument.
 
hmp10 said:
At 10:32 a.m. I posted, "I think the Gravity has clear elements of a minivan . . . ."

Two posts later, at 10:36 a.m. @momo3605 posted back to me that, "For someone who loves minivans and enjoys the gravity for having the utility of a minivan, you’re quite insistent that the Gravity is NOTHING LIKE a minivan. [@momo3605's emphasis]"

I've gotten sick of so much public discourse proceeding on the basis of deliberate misrepresentations or outright lies, and my temper is going to flare when I see it happen on this forum with my own posts.

I enjoy a good argument, but I try to adhere to certain rules, one of them being that honesty and good faith matter in argument.
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You are on the internet…don’t get your hopes up too high.

I agree with the last paragraph but…it’s the internet.
 
037 said:
You are on the internet…don’t get your hopes up too high.

I agree with the last paragraph but…it’s the internet.
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True . . . but the moderators here do a very good job of keeping this forum a lot cleaner than the internet in general.
 
It’s a Mini SUVAN!
 
hmp10 said:
I've gotten sick of so much public discourse proceeding on the basis of deliberate misrepresentations or outright lies, and my temper is going to flare when I see it happen on this forum with my own posts.
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It has plastic fender trim so it can't be a minivan.
Can you put big tires on a Gravity and clear this obstacle? No you can't, because it's not an SUV.

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It's a crossover! :p
 
Elfin said:
It has plastic fender trim so it can't be a minivan.
Can you put big tires on a Gravity and clear this obstacle? No you can't, because it's not an SUV.

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It's a crossover! :p
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I think it's pretty clear that there's no universal agreement on what is required for a vehicle to be labeled as an "SUV". While some would like only the most capable of rock crawlers to be called an SUV, it's just as clear that there are many many SUVs sold each year that could never manage that obstacle. I personally don't see much point in arguing over the naming. Going back up a few comments about the Gravity being a hybrid of a station wagon, SUV, and minivan, I'm going to vote for the Wasumi as the new name for this class of vehicles. Gravity Wasumi works for me. :)
 
It’s amusing to see so many people get wrapped around the axle with this “is it a minivan” question, largely because I really don’t care.

Don’t get me wrong: on some level no one buys a 100k car without at least a subconscious consideration of what other people think. And the fear seems to be that people think it’s a minivan, with all that entails, and minivans make a statement some are desperate to avoid. I’d make two points here.

The first reason I don’t care is that people lumping the gravity in with other minivans don’t know cars. Because while the gravity has a number of minivan features it’s clearly something else:

Imagine a spider chart with all important attributes of a car: performance, comfort, utility, running costs, you name it. I’d argue that the Gravity covers more area on that spider chart than any vehicle ever built. Forget EVs, forget price: Period. Minivans have even more space and hence would cover slightly more area in those categories, but move over to the performance/ fun to drive side of the chart and they are barely even registering. Which is why, right or wrong, some see a guy driving a minivan and assume he traded his balls in for it. But that’s not this car.

This car is a car that’s besting even the greatest all-round vehicles. An Audi RS6 or BMW M5 Touring beat the Gravity in some driver involvement categories (engine noise, shifting, drifting in the BMW’s case), but they are behind badly everywhere else. A Rivian takes it off road, etc but it’s smaller, less practical, doesn’t have anything close to the driver involvement. I mean seriously, can anyone name a more capable all-rounder?

Second, and this is more of a personal trait, but if someone thinks it’s a minivan I almost like it more. I’ve always thought one of the coolest cars ever made was the Renault Espace F1:

dyler.com

A Minivan Powered by Formula 1 – The Renault Espace F1

Renault Espace F1 is a crazy concept, where traditional minivan layout is combined with engine and transmission from a Formula 1 car.
dyler.com dyler.com

Imagine: a fricken F1 powered 800 hp minivan that can do 0-60 in 2.8 seconds. Has there ever been a bigger sleeper? And now you tell me I can daily drive an 800 hp minivan that does 0-60 in nearly the same time? Sign me the f* up.

So yea, you think it’s a minivan? Excellent. You think it’s not? Fine with that too. The truth is it defies categories because there has never been a vehicle like this, and if you know, you know. If you don’t, so much the better.
 
PetevB said:
It’s amusing to see so many people get wrapped around the axle with this “is it a minivan” question, largely because I really don’t care.

Don’t get me wrong: on some level no one buys a 100k car without at least a subconscious consideration of what other people think. And the fear seems to be that people think it’s a minivan, with all that entails, and minivans make a statement some are desperate to avoid. I’d make two points here.

The first reason I don’t care is that people lumping the gravity in with other minivans don’t know cars. Because while the gravity has a number of minivan features it’s clearly something else:

Imagine a spider chart with all important attributes of a car: performance, comfort, utility, running costs, you name it. I’d argue that the Gravity covers more area on that spider chart than any vehicle ever built. Forget EVs, forget price: Period. Minivans have even more space and hence would cover slightly more area in those categories, but move over to the performance/ fun to drive side of the chart and they are barely even registering. Which is why, right or wrong, some see a guy driving a minivan and assume he traded his balls in for it. But that’s not this car.

This car is a car that’s besting even the greatest all-round vehicles. An Audi RS6 or BMW M5 Touring beat the Gravity in some driver involvement categories (engine noise, shifting, drifting in the BMW’s case), but they are behind badly everywhere else. A Rivian takes it off road, etc but it’s smaller, less practical, doesn’t have anything close to the driver involvement. I mean seriously, can anyone name a more capable all-rounder?

Second, and this is more of a personal trait, but if someone thinks it’s a minivan I almost like it more. I’ve always thought one of the coolest cars ever made was the Renault Espace F1:

dyler.com

A Minivan Powered by Formula 1 – The Renault Espace F1

Renault Espace F1 is a crazy concept, where traditional minivan layout is combined with engine and transmission from a Formula 1 car.
dyler.com dyler.com

Imagine: a fricken F1 powered 800 hp minivan that can do 0-60 in 2.8 seconds. Has there ever been a bigger sleeper? And now you tell me I can daily drive an 800 hp minivan that does 0-60 in nearly the same time? Sign me the f* up.

So yea, you think it’s a minivan? Excellent. You think it’s not? Fine with that too. The truth is it defies categories because there has never been a vehicle like this, and if you know, you know. If you don’t, so much the better.
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Excellent points. For some people, that spider chart leans very heavily toward looks. The amount of money that is spent on wraps, body kits, fancy wheels, etc. is immense. Those folks may not want to be thought of as driving a minivan, for whatever personal reason.
 
PetevB said:
It’s amusing to see so many people get wrapped around the axle with this “is it a minivan” question, largely because I really don’t care.

Don’t get me wrong: on some level no one buys a 100k car without at least a subconscious consideration of what other people think. And the fear seems to be that people think it’s a minivan, with all that entails, and minivans make a statement some are desperate to avoid. I’d make two points here.

The first reason I don’t care is that people lumping the gravity in with other minivans don’t know cars. Because while the gravity has a number of minivan features it’s clearly something else:

Imagine a spider chart with all important attributes of a car: performance, comfort, utility, running costs, you name it. I’d argue that the Gravity covers more area on that spider chart than any vehicle ever built. Forget EVs, forget price: Period. Minivans have even more space and hence would cover slightly more area in those categories, but move over to the performance/ fun to drive side of the chart and they are barely even registering. Which is why, right or wrong, some see a guy driving a minivan and assume he traded his balls in for it. But that’s not this car.

This car is a car that’s besting even the greatest all-round vehicles. An Audi RS6 or BMW M5 Touring beat the Gravity in some driver involvement categories (engine noise, shifting, drifting in the BMW’s case), but they are behind badly everywhere else. A Rivian takes it off road, etc but it’s smaller, less practical, doesn’t have anything close to the driver involvement. I mean seriously, can anyone name a more capable all-rounder?

Second, and this is more of a personal trait, but if someone thinks it’s a minivan I almost like it more. I’ve always thought one of the coolest cars ever made was the Renault Espace F1:

dyler.com

A Minivan Powered by Formula 1 – The Renault Espace F1

Renault Espace F1 is a crazy concept, where traditional minivan layout is combined with engine and transmission from a Formula 1 car.
dyler.com dyler.com

Imagine: a fricken F1 powered 800 hp minivan that can do 0-60 in 2.8 seconds. Has there ever been a bigger sleeper? And now you tell me I can daily drive an 800 hp minivan that does 0-60 in nearly the same time? Sign me the f* up.

So yea, you think it’s a minivan? Excellent. You think it’s not? Fine with that too. The truth is it defies categories because there has never been a vehicle like this, and if you know, you know. If you don’t, so much the better.
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I agree 100%. For me, the practicality of a minivan, the performance of a sports car, some trappings of luxury, and a package that most people will look right past? Sign me up.
 
PetevB said:
The first reason I don’t care is that people lumping the gravity in with other minivans don’t know cars. Because while the gravity has a number of minivan features it’s clearly something else:

Imagine a spider chart with all important attributes of a car: performance, comfort, utility, running costs, you name it. I’d argue that the Gravity covers more area on that spider chart than any vehicle ever built.

This car is a car that’s besting even the greatest all-round vehicles.
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Yes, yes, and yes.

As someone who has driven (and still drives) a minivan for over 14 years, I'm not the least bit embarrassed to be seen in one.

To me, the issue about so many people calling it a minivan is that -- for better or worse (and I think worse) -- the American market shies away from that category. The Gravity doesn't photograph well compared to how it looks in the flesh. With so few Gravities available to see in the flesh and with so many opinions forming based on extensive photographic press coverage, I wonder how many potential customers will write it off and move on before waiting or making the effort to see one in person. It's going to be many moons before enough of them are seen on the road to begin to sell itself on looks -- a factor that dominates many buying decisions.

I don't have any data to prove it, but I suspect looks are a threshold issue for many buyers. If they think or have heard that a vehicle is in a category in which they aren't interested, they simply write it off and don't move on to a more in-depth exploration of what the vehicle offers.

"Car people" will get what the Gravity is about big time. But for it to be the market success that Lucid needs, a whole lot of "non-car people" will need to buy one.
 
It's a Gravity. When you look at it, it is what you see - there is no definition of SUV or minivan that allows one to simply assign one of those labels to it.

We have gotten so ridiculous in America with the looks of things. Looks should be way down the list and functionalality should be 95% of one's evaluation for purchase.

I'd recommend stop worrying about what it "is" , and concentrate on what it does - and if the things it does meet your requirements. Then you can call it whatever you want.

I think most people are worried their friends are going to think they drive a minivan. God forbid.
 
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