NY and EV Rant of the day

[E LUCID 8]

So our Governor claims to want to make NY an EV state. However, NY does not allow direct sales of cars to consumers. Only EV cars "sold" in NY qualify for NY rebates and clean-pass stickers to use HOV lanes. So, despite my Lucid Air being one of the most efficient EVs made anywhere, it does not qualify for anything. Meanwhile, MB, BMW, Tesla, Audi all are on the NYSERDA list (Tesla was grandfathered in for 5 sales locations when it tried to challenge the law years ago). I am so very tired of NY lack of progress in this area when the politicians claim they want to go green.

 

[Tesla2.0]

I think each EV brand has to fight for it in each state. This was law to protect legacy auto makers.

 

[DRWHO42]

I am frustrated as well. I agree the program should be expanded and to include our cars I would strongly encourage you to reach out to your local reps to get their ear.

Lucid has a lot on their plate and they should have to waste resources to sue the state to be included. NYS should do their diligence and add ALL EVs to the list regardless of their dealership status with the state.

I am a little skeptical with pols bc they cave to special interests (donors) instead of doing the right thing or bottle the program up so there isn't much progress so they can reallocate those funds somewhere else (MTA??? Stadiums??? and other pet projects).

 

[Cosmo Cruz]

I am frustrated as well. I agree the program should be expanded and to include our cars I would strongly encourage you to reach out to your local reps to get their ear.

Lucid has a lot on their plate and they should have to waste resources to sue the state to be included. NYS should do their diligence and add ALL EVs to the list regardless of their dealership status with the state.

I am a little skeptical with pols bc they cave to special interests (donors) instead of doing the right thing or bottle the program up so there isn't much progress so they can reallocate those funds somewhere else (MTA??? Stadiums??? and other pet projects).

it's legacy follow-the-money politics they are protecting
destroy/rebuild capitalism is a bloody antidote to tradition
EVs and everything e are here but big carbon / big kick-back tradition ain't gonna make it easy

 

[Cosmo Cruz]

also people. losing your job is traumatic.
grow or die

 

[inthewoods]

So our Governor claims to want to make NY an EV state. However, NY does not allow direct sales of cars to consumers. Only EV cars "sold" in NY qualify for NY rebates and clean-pass stickers to use HOV lanes. So, despite my Lucid Air being one of the most efficient EVs made anywhere, it does not qualify for anything. Meanwhile, MB, BMW, Tesla, Audi all are on the NYSERDA list (Tesla was grandfathered in for 5 sales locations when it tried to challenge the law years ago). I am so very tired of NY lack of progress in this area when the politicians claim they want to go green.

You're spot on! I don't understand reason NY treats Lucid differently from other manufacturers. https://www.nyserda.ny.gov/All-Prog...ric-Cars-Program/How-it-Works/Eligible-Models

 

[inthewoods]

DMV informed me that the reason the State treats Lucid differently than others is because Lucid has no sales showrooms in NY.

 

[xponents]

DMV informed me that the reason the State treats Lucid differently than others is because Lucid has no sales showrooms in NY.

Doesnt tesla not either?

 

[inthewoods]

NYSERDA does give Tesla owners a $500 rebate. https://www.nyserda.ny.gov/All-Prog...ric-Cars-Program/How-it-Works/Eligible-Models

 

[DRWHO42]

NYSERDA does give Tesla owners a $500 rebate. https://www.nyserda.ny.gov/All-Prog...ric-Cars-Program/How-it-Works/Eligible-Models

True and they should have had the foresight to include Lucid. They should not create an exclusion for “non-dealers” since Lucid does have studio’s similar to Tesla.

Until there is noise from a number of us owners and prospective owners with the state I don’t foresee movement.

 

[Tesla2.0]

DMV informed me that the reason the State treats Lucid differently than others is because Lucid has no sales showrooms in NY.

I don’t understand. I went to Meatpacking District Lucid gallery in Manhattan. That one doesn’t count?!

 

[E LUCID 8]

Doesnt tesla not either?

Tesla was grandfathered in for 5 sales offices in NY when the restrictions were put in place to protect car dealers. The rest are just showrooms where they can not sell you a car.

 

[E LUCID 8]

I don’t understand. I went to Meatpacking District Lucid gallery in Manhattan. That one doesn’t count?!

Not a dealer. NY will not allow direct sales of EVs. Until that changes or Lucid decides to have dealer franchisees we are stuck. The auto dealer network has a strong lobbying group. Add that to political leadership that is trying to balance climate issues v. the dealer network and Unions trying to protect their interests and nothing happens. The dealer lobby tried to argue that providing benefits to Tesla and Rivian is giving benefits to billionaires because Bezos through Amazon is a big investor in Rivian, Musk=Tesla

 

[inthewoods]

IMO, there exists a car dealership lobby that greases the palms of those benevolent folks in Albany who make the rules. EV car manufacturers represent a direct threat to the livelihood of ICE companies so by maintaining the status quo, lawmakers and the ICE lobbyists can tell Ev-ers to suck wind.

 

[inthewoods]

For anyone registering at the Hudson, NY DMV office, they require the original Certificate of Origin for a Vehicle and the Purchase Agreement Final Price Sheet must be on Lucid letterhead.

 

[DRWHO42]

For anyone registering at the Hudson, NY DMV office, they require the original Certificate of Origin for a Vehicle and the Purchase Agreement Final Price Sheet must be on Lucid letterhead.

Really?? You have to go in yourself? I didn’t have to. The DA and office team handled my paperwork but DMV was being a real pain in the neck and required my insurance and documentation all had our full name (including middle) spelled out.

If you are a AAA member you can try to leverage their DMV service offerings. May be less painful.

Good luck

 

[inthewoods]

It's inconsistencies such as this that make, what could be a pretty straight-forward process simple and easy, a hassle instead.

My insurance broker (State Farm) insisted that the date on the insurance cert must match the date when I register the car. But when I queried DMV, they said that it's not necessary. So I think there is enough confusion to go around for everyone.

I'm not sure what state you live in, but in NYS, Lucid owners are required to register their cars themselves because Lucid isn't licensed to sell cars in NY.

 

[DRWHO42]

It's inconsistencies such as this that make, what could be a pretty straight-forward process simple and easy, a hassle instead.

My insurance broker (State Farm) insisted that the date on the insurance cert must match the date when I register the car. But when I queried DMV, they said that it's not necessary. So I think there is enough confusion to go around for everyone.

I'm not sure what state you live in, but in NYS, Lucid owners are required to register their cars themselves because Lucid isn't licensed to sell cars in NY.

I’m in NY. My DA handled it all for me luckily.

I had date issues also but it was mainly for the loan to be secured.

 

[inthewoods]

I want your DA!

 

[Phoenix]

DMV informed me that the reason the State treats Lucid differently than others is because Lucid has no sales showrooms in NY.

This is absolutely not true. They have a showroom in the meat packing district in NYC. I've been to it.