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Out of Spec roadtrips Gravity and DDP2 has some issues

Mods, I'm all for free speech, but at a certain point I do think we have to call a spade a spade. Mobada is either a troll or is just instigating. They have almost 100 posts since joining, all in somewhat aggressive support/defense of Tesla since recently joining. This is not conducive to a functioning forum.
 
All good, but still off topic for the thread, and the forum.
 
DeaneG said:
All good, but still off topic for the thread, and the forum.
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Sorry, I thought the Waymo post was in the LiDAR thread but seems every thread @mobada posts in is to either praise FSD or criticize Waymo.
 
watermelonrooste said:
What does the actual data show? Are there more or less accidents compared to human drivers? That will tell if it makes driving safer. As long as it is safer than a human drivers, how does it make a difference in what the driver believes?
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I don't know what the actual data shows, but I agree it is what should ultimately be listened to. But as far as I'm aware, we don't have good data to analyze. NHTSA has some crash reporting requirements, but they say they don't have miles driven data, and so they cannot calculate crash frequency. Tesla uses their data to hype their technology, but refuses to release enough of it to third parties to get an independent confirmation. For Lucid, they seem to have no released data of any kind, aside from the aforementioned crash reports to NHTSA that aren't enough to really assess the system. I haven't tried to see what data is available for Blue Cruise and the like.
 
TahoeMichael said:
I don't know what the actual data shows, but I agree it is what should ultimately be listened to. But as far as I'm aware, we don't have good data to analyze. NHTSA has some crash reporting requirements, but they say they don't have miles driven data, and so they cannot calculate crash frequency. Tesla uses their data to hype their technology, but refuses to release enough of it to third parties to get an independent confirmation. For Lucid, they seem to have no released data of any kind, aside from the aforementioned crash reports to NHTSA that aren't enough to really assess the system. I haven't tried to see what data is available for Blue Cruise and the like.
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Tesla FSD is the only system in the EU approved for hands free driving on city streets and that can make autonomous decisions

They did it by having it independently tested for more than a million miles and performing more than 4500 closed scenarios on a track

We have good data and it's right there under your nose. It's called operating 1300 vehicles with no supervisor with exactly the same technology found in consumer cars.

It will be years before anybody else has this level of accident avoidance
 

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doubletwist said:
This right here is one of the problems I have with it. FSD customers are paying to be guinea pigs.
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This is no different from anyone else paying for an ADAS system?

Rivian tests on consumers. Lucid tests on consumers.

The difference is tesla actually prioritized safety by limiting who had access and prioritizing safety over adding new features.

The issue now is everyone wants a point to point driving system but can't match FSD safety. So they prioritize adding as many driving features as possible (and making the system hands free) when it's not safe.
 
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