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Kim Java - Preview Gravity?

gaskiller said:
Looking at her review, seems to be very nitpicking….there is a reason you carry a keycard….soft reset is also there for a reason…..

I know software still needs improving, but they just go on and on about a few minor things and did not use the keycard as intended.

And that constant..” it doesn’t have FSD” the same Tesla fanboy nonsense……why does every Tesla cult member need to bring that up….most people don’t care and just drive their cars. The mere fact they brought up FSD makes this review biased beyond proportion. You can’t realistically expect other car companies to suddenly have FSD comparable tech. And Rivian that she mentions point to point coming ….ITS NOWHERE CLOSE…they don’t even have a chip yet….
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I think there's a lot to love about the Gravity. But I 100% disagree with you about the keycard. First off, it's ridiculous that you even need to have a keycard. No other vehicle I've owned has done that, instead the fob itself has backup access for when the fob battery is dead. Now when someone borrows the car, you need to remember to give them both keys, and get both keys back, which is just silly. It's one of the dumb design decisions that Tesla has normalized. And the only circumstances in which it should be acceptable to fall back on the keycard is if you've lost the fob, or the fob's battery is dead. Having to do a soft reset is also pretty bad. If I loan a Gravity to a friend, am I supposed to have to give them a tutorial on how to reset it, and then hope they remember when they need it? I get that there's a complicated set of software that's hard to make perfect. But as a professional software engineer, it's not impressive how frequently resets are required. If they cannot hit the right quality level to avoid frequent resets, it'd be much better to do something like watchdog resets in an attempt to avoid the customer having to do them.
 
TahoeMichael said:
I think there's a lot to love about the Gravity. But I 100% disagree with you about the keycard. First off, it's ridiculous that you even need to have a keycard. No other vehicle I've owned has done that, instead the fob itself has backup access for when the fob battery is dead. Now when someone borrows the car, you need to remember to give them both keys, and get both keys back, which is just silly. It's one of the dumb design decisions that Tesla has normalized. And the only circumstances in which it should be acceptable to fall back on the keycard is if you've lost the fob, or the fob's battery is dead. Having to do a soft reset is also pretty bad. If I loan a Gravity to a friend, am I supposed to have to give them a tutorial on how to reset it, and then hope they remember when they need it? I get that there's a complicated set of software that's hard to make perfect. But as a professional software engineer, it's not impressive how frequently resets are required. If they cannot hit the right quality level to avoid frequent resets, it'd be much better to do something like watchdog resets in an attempt to avoid the customer having to do them.
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I don't understand the need to re-invent a functionality which has worked well for a long time. I wish there as a way to retrofit the cars with a conventional RF transmitter to fix the door unlocking issues. Whenever I mention the unlocking difficulties to the service people, they just brush this off as normal behavior.
 
TahoeMichael said:
I think there's a lot to love about the Gravity. But I 100% disagree with you about the keycard. First off, it's ridiculous that you even need to have a keycard. No other vehicle I've owned has done that, instead the fob itself has backup access for when the fob battery is dead. Now when someone borrows the car, you need to remember to give them both keys, and get both keys back, which is just silly. It's one of the dumb design decisions that Tesla has normalized. And the only circumstances in which it should be acceptable to fall back on the keycard is if you've lost the fob, or the fob's battery is dead. Having to do a soft reset is also pretty bad. If I loan a Gravity to a friend, am I supposed to have to give them a tutorial on how to reset it, and then hope they remember when they need it? I get that there's a complicated set of software that's hard to make perfect. But as a professional software engineer, it's not impressive how frequently resets are required. If they cannot hit the right quality level to avoid frequent resets, it'd be much better to do something like watchdog resets in an attempt to avoid the customer having to do them.
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Keycard is also there in case you battery dies in key fob…..and clearly they didn’t use it as intended. Agree keys could be better, but they never used keycard as intended and start yapping about it constantly. And of course Java goes to Sema and her main aim was to look for Tesla’s…..why? Because she is member of the biased cult!
 
She is very popular and represents an important cohort. I did not watch the entire video but was confused about her comments on Model X because it is no longer available as a new vehicle. The obsession on trivial items is unfortunate and disproportionate in a vehicle evaluation IMO.
 
victoryroad said:
She is very popular and represents an important cohort. I did not watch the entire video but was confused about her comments on Model X because it is no longer available as a new vehicle. The obsession on trivial items is unfortunate and disproportionate in a vehicle evaluation IMO.
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She clearly has a heart for Tesla…not an impartial review.
 
I own a Mercedes ICE car and a Lucid Gravity. If a friend not familiar with either car needed to borrow one, I could just toss him the keys to the Mercedes and off he would go. With the Gravity, there would have to be a 30+ minute briefing on all of the idiocyncrasies and workarounds if something goes wrong. If he was coming from another EV, that briefing might only have to be 20 minutes.
 
Bdr100 said:
I own a Mercedes ICE car and a Lucid Gravity. If a friend not familiar with either car needed to borrow one, I could just toss him the keys to the Mercedes and off he would go. With the Gravity, there would have to be a 30+ minute briefing on all of the idiocyncrasies and workarounds if something goes wrong. If he was coming from another EV, that briefing might only have to be 20 minutes.
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I have to admit I was shocked when I had to valet a Gravity at a local hotel about 2-3 months ago and they already knew what to do with it regarding the key card. Of course, it was Silicon Valley, so there's that.

gaskiller said:
Complaining about lack of FSD is stupid!
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But they find FSD so "relaxing"! (it's like a mantra in practically every comment I see about it)
 
eelpout said:
I have to admit I was shocked when I had to valet a Gravity at a local hotel about 2-3 months ago and they already knew what to do with it regarding the key card. Of course, it was Silicon Valley, so there's that.
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But here in Houston, things are different. I went to valet at a concert venue some months ago and the valet told me “I’m not driving that, you can just park it right there” pointing to one of the prime up front parking spots.
 
gaskiller said:
She clearly has a heart for Tesla…not an impartial review.
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Yeah, but influencers are not journalists. So they are allowed to be impartial, like it or not. However, I cringed at the couple mistakes they made, but thought that 99% of their review was pretty spot-on and their complaints are well represented on these boards by many. I came away thinking they were pretty positive about the car, and mentioned a few things (software!) that need to catch up to the competition. (No argument from most on this topic.)
 
Whether it's Kim or Kyle, none of us are going to agree with everything they say. I took issue with Kyle's recent post when having issues with the ADAS knowing full well it was clickbait and that a reset fixed it, but the damage was done and people piled on. Both Kim and Kyle have inherited a Tesla fanbase from when they originally started being influencers and like it or not, a majority of those people will fall on the sword for FSD which is why in some way or another it always comes up. They're providing info on what a majority of their followers want to hear about and you can't begrudge either of them on that.

I think out of all the reviewers I've seen both Kim and Kyle are more than fair even if the dramatize a thing or two every now and then. I saw one "Influencer" who was complaining that the 3rd row had no leg room only to see in the video that she didn't remove the gap covers. That annoyed me more than most of the things Kim and Kyle say \ talk about.
 
TahoeMichael said:
I think there's a lot to love about the Gravity. But I 100% disagree with you about the keycard. First off, it's ridiculous that you even need to have a keycard. No other vehicle I've owned has done that, instead the fob itself has backup access for when the fob battery is dead. Now when someone borrows the car, you need to remember to give them both keys, and get both keys back, which is just silly. It's one of the dumb design decisions that Tesla has normalized. And the only circumstances in which it should be acceptable to fall back on the keycard is if you've lost the fob, or the fob's battery is dead. Having to do a soft reset is also pretty bad. If I loan a Gravity to a friend, am I supposed to have to give them a tutorial on how to reset it, and then hope they remember when they need it? I get that there's a complicated set of software that's hard to make perfect. But as a professional software engineer, it's not impressive how frequently resets are required. If they cannot hit the right quality level to avoid frequent resets, it'd be much better to do something like watchdog resets in an attempt to avoid the customer having to do them.
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Only one data point here but I've had my GGT since March. I changed the fob battery right away when I took delivery but haven't had to since and it's worked flawlessly.
(I do however toss the fob in Faraday pouch each morning when I arrive at my office and each evening upon arriving home)
The only time I've ever used the keycard is when I was washing the car and it locked w/ the fob inside. (I later learned I can just press the driver door handle when this happens to unlock it)

And...never have had to X/Mic/brake pedal reboot the on SW on this vehicle either; just regular SW updates and normal overnight sleep...just saying'
 
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