Obviously Tesla convinced the Saudis to prefer a sedan. It's not like Elon doesn't know them.Perhaps the "horse" was an advocate of the sedan and convinced the Saudis'?
True! But when one company compares its EPA rating done with one method as efficiency and range vs another company (say the Germans) that uses (a different) EPA testing and on top of that, derated their own efficiency rating to match real-life driving experience, when you compare their products, you can get discrepancies as much as 20+% between these methodologies. Therein lies the sleight-of-hand. One might argue it is "EPA's fault". Yes, it is. But good business practice should always make sure the consumers are educate and get what they thought they paid for.
The thing is, efficiency isn't a dealbreaker for ICE because slight changes here and there don't make drastic changes to fuel economy. Plus, compared to the rest of the world, fuel in the United States is relatively cheaper. And also the infrastructure for both the ICE manufacturing and fuel distribution has been established for decades.
There are other threads for this. I have already asked for this thread to remain on-topic. Discussing Rivian, earnings, comparisons with Lucid, etc., are fine.
Wonder why Lucid sold 1300 vs Rivians 1800 in Q1 2026 , in CA, despite a 29 day stop sale?
It's simple if you ask me. The product works.
lol like the stop sale is a good thing or by choice - that was for a defect and supply chain issues. Results - Lucid sold less than Rivian in Q1. I guess you can filibuster why but sales are sales.
You are talking about Rivian, correct? It delivers what it promised. It is reliable. It meets its performance/efficiency specs (Lucid doesn't). Its service is good! Its SW is solid!
Most of the potential customers care about vehicle appearance more than anything else. I think the R2 will win that contest.
Rivian’s looks are only part of the story, and looks play a bigger role for higher end models. Value will win over looks at mid size scale. I just look at the Toyota bzx4 being the 2nd best selling EV in the US last quarter and its looks are less than stellar.
The P12 is not the EX60 starting around $60k. That will be the P10, which is closer to the R2 premium in specs. The iX3 starts where the R2 tops out, and considerable slower and a look that is divisive at best. Sure, the other two win on charging, but not as competitive on price as this graphic would suggest. A cheaper iX3 will be coming eventually as well but until specs are released for it, hard to say how much this would really affect R2 sales, if at all.
Mr. Ed was wise beyond his ears...Perhaps the "horse" was an advocate of the sedan and convinced the Saudis'?
i never said looks don’t play a role. Of course they do. I said that looks play less of a role at this price point than value does.
As an owner of a 2022 AGT and 2023 Rivian R1S (Quad) Adventure, @Chezynachos's summary is on target. These differences between Lucid and Rivian, as highlighted by @Chezynachos, will be amplified 10X as Lucid moves into the mid-size. The mis-range buyers are less tolerant on bugs and ambiguity of specs, more conscientious about the cost of acquisition and ownership, proximity to service centers, availability of spare parts (fender panels, glass, wipers, lights, etc.). Furthermore, most of the mid-range buyers are dependent on their cars as the only (or vital) means of transport to their jobs or children's activities. The current status quo of Lucid's eco-system simply won't cut it!
