Mileage on first road trip

[hmp10]

Yeah, with our Tesla Plaid. Don't tell me with the Lucid, too . . . ?

 

[niejelow]

Yup

 

[dawktah LucidGT]

Too many devices sharing same frequency?

 

[manitou202]

What were the temperatures? Were you using a lot of heating or cooling?

Also, if the car sat overnight unplugged, some EV's will use a lot of power in the morning after a cold soak to warm back up the battery. Especially if you precondition on the way to a Super Charger.

As a reference, my Taycan Turbo S with 21" wheels in range mode (efficiency setting) on the highway (75mph) gets about 2.7 miles / kWh and my E-tron with 20" wheels gets about 2.4 miles / kWh.

 

[Dortreo]

That’s really disappointing. My electron guzzling e-Tron has a lifetime cumulative figure of 2.8 miles/KwH. I would have expected far better. I can’t see how you’d get anything close to the rated range with that consumption.

Hydbob’s numbers don’t seem to be significantly different either. Actually a mix of highway and local driving should typically yield a higher number than straight highway driving. Yet hydbob’s numbers aren’t really showing that.

Compared with Porsche, Audi, and Mercedes (?), Tesla seems to take advantage of FDA rules to improve its EPA range. C&D had an article on this saying, "We were especially curious because our own 75-mph highway testing shows Teslas, on average, miss their label range by 27 percent, while all other EVs have missed the mark by 22 percent."

I wonder if Lucid is employing the same method in its EPA tests as Tesla, so its EPA estimate is perhaps also off from real world ranges by 25 to 30%? That would be disappointing.

 

[niejelow]

Too many devices sharing same frequency?

The problem is that they should not have used Bluetooth either in Tesla or Lucid as it is very proximity sensitive. They should have used RF. gives long range signal.

 

[dawktah LucidGT]

The problem is that they should not have used Bluetooth either in Tesla or Lucid as it is very proximity sensitive. They should have used RF. gives long range signal.

Bluetooth!?!?! I guess that's an easy way to get a phone to work. I still think there was a missed opportunity to use satellite, with Bluetooth ONLY as a back-up

 

[niejelow]

Too many devices sharing same frequency?

No it’s not a frequency issue. It lost its signal from the mother ship.

 

[niejelow]

What were the temperatures? Were you using a lot of heating or cooling?

Also, if the car sat overnight unplugged, some EV's will use a lot of power in the morning after a cold soak to warm back up the battery. Especially if you precondition on the way to a Super Charger.

As a reference, my Taycan Turbo S with 21" wheels in range mode (efficiency setting) on the highway (75mph) gets about 2.7 miles / kWh and my E-tron with 20" wheels gets about 2.4 miles / kWh.

Yes you only have a range of 189miles. I got my dream last Wednesday and 3.0 between city and highway. Highway 75-80mph.

 

[hydbob]

No issues with key fob except the one time it stopped working, but that was because the battery died. What issues are you having? The range is VERY dynamic...I guess is the way to put it nicely. Sometimes it'll open 10 feet away othertimes 3 feet, earlier today I was about 20 feet and it opened up.

 

[niejelow]

Both fobs don’t work at all ; not a battery issue checked each with a voltmeter. When they were working they operated like a squirrel unpredictable.

 

[hydbob]

Interesting. Did you try unblinking them and relinking?

 

[manitou202]

I might be in the minority here, but I've assumed a 500 mile EPA range was probably closer to 400 miles in the real world.

There are a couple of regular road trips we make that are in the 250-325 mile range. The Lucid with 375-400 miles of range will allow us to complete these trips without a charging stop. No other EV is capable of this. It also allows us to bridge several of the charging gaps in Texas if I choose to visit my brother. I haven't driven one of our current EVs to his place in Austin because of the large gaps in that state. This will change the game.

 

[dawktah LucidGT]

Tom Mologhney will do a 70 mph range test, unless they do a Le Mans style driver swap, that is going to be brutal.

Since batteries have a charging curve, do they have an output curve or is power output flat?

 

[Adnillien]

The problem is that they should not have used Bluetooth either in Tesla or Lucid as it is very proximity sensitive. They should have used RF. gives long range signal.

You may not like the battery life in the key fob with RF. That is the advantage of Bluetooth.

 

[Lucken]

Compared with Porsche, Audi, and Mercedes (?), Tesla seems to take advantage of FDA rules to improve its EPA range. C&D had an article on this saying, "We were especially curious because our own 75-mph highway testing shows Teslas, on average, miss their label range by 27 percent, while all other EVs have missed the mark by 22 percent."

I wonder if Lucid is employing the same method in its EPA tests as Tesla, so its EPA estimate is perhaps also off from real world ranges by 25 to 30%? That would be disappointing.

I know the Audi outperforms its EPA ratings in many tests. I believe the Porsche does the same. I'm not sure about the Mercedes. So some cars outperform their ratings, others underperform and other significantly underperform.

I think it's unrealistic to excuse the claims of a 450-500 mile range that turns out to be more in the neighborhood of 350 miles, especially if these are non-adverse conditions. Can we expect the Pure, advertised at 400 miles, to achieve in the real world, 250 miles? I have no idea, but if we extrapolate, it's certainly not out of the question.

As for the battery pack being cold, that issue should only impact the range for the first 10-20 miles. In a long trip, that issue tends to be significantly minimized. In the e-Tron, under those conditions, I see the range catch up significantly after those first 10-15 miles, if the car has not been preconditioned. Of course the range still sucks, but that's what was advertised. Nobody expected any better.

It may be too early to assume these are going to be the results that most Lucid owners achieve, but there are enough warning signs to be concerned. We don't want to become like the Tesla crowd where every valid criticism is met with 100 excuses as to why the criticism is either not valid or its actually a 'feature'. Between the 2 reports here, I think we've covered temperatures being too hot, too cold, altitudes too high, mountain passes during the course of travel, etc.

I don't mean to sound cynical, but we may eventually reach the point where we come to the conclusion that the range claims are way off...or we may not. But a degree of objectivity is the best approach.

 

[Adnillien]

I know the Audi outperforms its EPA ratings in many tests. I believe the Porsche does the same. I'm not sure about the Mercedes. So some cars outperform their ratings, others underperform and other significantly underperform.

I think it's unrealistic to excuse the claims of a 450-500 mile range that turns out to be more in the neighborhood of 350 miles, especially if these are non-adverse conditions. Can we expect the Pure, advertised at 400 miles, to achieve in the real world, 250 miles? I have no idea, but if we extrapolate, it's certainly not out of the question.

As for the battery pack being cold, that issue should only impact the range for the first 10-20 miles. In a long trip, that issue tends to be significantly minimized. In the e-Tron, under those conditions, I see the range catch up significantly after those first 10-15 miles, if the car has not been preconditioned. Of course the range still sucks, but that's what was advertised. Nobody expected any better.

It may be too early to assume these are going to be the results that most Lucid owners achieve, but there are enough warning signs to be concerned. We don't want to become like the Tesla crowd where every valid criticism is met with 100 excuses as to why the criticism is either not valid or its actually a 'feature'. Between the 2 reports here, I think we've covered temperatures being too hot, too cold, altitudes too high, mountain passes during the course of travel, etc.

I don't mean to sound cynical, but we may eventually reach the point where we come to the conclusion that the range claims are way off...or we may not. But a degree of objectivity is the best approach.

Hydbob is reporting 3.1 mi/kWhr and I believe he is driving a Performance 21" which means 20% under EPA rating and a nice California climate.

If Michael is driving a Performance 19" and getting 3.2 mi/kWhr, he is also 20% under EPA rating. It may be cold but Snoqualmie pass is only about 3000 feet and he started and finished at the same altitude. Temperature may have been a factor.

Niejelow - what is your car? If it is a Performance 21", your 3.0 mi/kWhr is slightly less than 80% of EPA.

It is starting to sound like a trend. This data is very helpful so thank you for answering all of our questions.

 

[dawktah LucidGT]

Hypermiling is a skill. Also, if owners think smooth is supposed to be the range mode, we may be mistaken. Hopefully this gets worked out soon.

 

[hydbob]

I have a small sample size of data to add to the mix. After charging today, I was able to achieve 4.2 mi/kwh over the distance of around 10 miles. It required me to do EXTREMELY conservative driving but I was on surface streets the whole time. I got tired of driving so slow so drove normal again. I'm pretty close to averaging around 3.2 mi/kwh with my split of 50/50 city/highway driving.

 

[Lucken]

Hydbob, your reports are helpful and much appreciated, even if they’re not quite the results we hoped for.