New to the Lucid Family - From Model X to Gravity Dream Edition

[Ron_Burgundy]

DDP is Tesla Enhanced Autopilot to be honest at this point. I'm wondering if there was a reason they went with Nuro for autonomous driving portion of the Uber collab, might take too long to finish up DDP in-house?

Activation one DDP from steering wheel is not consistent, sometimes require a second click, same with changing drive modes, I wonder if it's just the button responsive or software? Or me? Sometimes I glide and press on the capacitive buttons, but I thought the capacitive portion is only the direction pad, and not the button actuation bottom section.

Lane change is pretty abrupt, it starts to ease into the lane, then seems like a quick jerk and you're in the lane. Try this multiple times with same results.

Happened multiple times to me, it drives at my fixed cruising speed, then suddenly drop to posted speed limit, but setting are not set to match posted speed limits.

slight ping ponging on the lane when driving straight (I-5 in CA).

Y splits on highways are a problem. it does not know which split to take, no association with GPS destination and roads. To me, it recognizes the road and lane markings, but no intelligence behind it for decisions. and usually (in my experience) takes the split to the left if you're on left lane, and takes the split to the right if you're on the right lane. Now I'm trained to either turn off DDP or yank the squircle when a split comes up.

Lane biasing works.

once in a while, if I changed the following distance, it didn't seem to make any difference on the actual following distance.

It's good enough on the highway, that I can use it to help with driving long distance on road trips. But not as good as FSD when I don't think much about it anymore. DDP you have to be consciously thinking about it, and know it's on DDP but you're ready to do something.

These are all software fixable. So I'm not worry about it, just going to give it time to improve. FSD really improves when it hit v13.

-iThinkEV-

Super helpful overview. Very much appreciate it. “Had” to get DDPro as wife is used to FSD but was expecting it to be a step back with DDPro for foreseeable future.

 

[jered]

DDP is Tesla Enhanced Autopilot to be honest at this point.

I agree with this assessment. It feels a lot like my X did in 2019.

It's fine; I definitely like having it vs not. Adaptive cruise control and lane-keeping are table stakes for me in a new vehicle. Lane change works, although not quite as smoothly as the Tesla today. It does not self-initiate lane change. DD2P does not interact with navigation guidance in any way.

One thing that's frustrating is that it is very noisy with alerts. Even though it can manage busy traffic just fine, any time there's a slowdown it starts beeping like crazy and flashing red steering wheels in case you need to take over. This gives me a lot of concern over its actual safety parameters -- can I use it in congested highway conditions or not? That's the situation I most want driver assistance.

I'm wondering if there was a reason they went with Nuro for autonomous driving portion of the Uber collab, might take too long to finish up DDP in-house?

I'm not convinced Nuro has anything to do with Lucid's plans. As I mentioned in a different thread, Uber has been spraying money out around the world in hopes of partnering with a viable Waymo competitor. They liked the Nuro driver, Nuro and Uber needed a vehicle partner, and Lucid probably was willing to play ball on integration costs and provide a sexy launch vehicle for the announcement. I would not assume there's anything more to it than that.

 

[prodolf]

While I'm still in the honeymoon phase with my Gravity DE and there are still a pretty good list of legitimate issues with the car and technology. Lucid seems to be chipping away at the challenges as a responsible and attentive company should with a new build. I won't rehash the cons as they are well documented here and on Reddit. What I will say is that the car is amazing to drive and the performance is outstanding. I come from a Rivian R1T and Tesla Model S prior to that. The biggest welcome surprise has been the plug-and-charge feature that for me has worked flawlessly on EA, Tesla and EVGo DC fast charging networks so far! What a bonus to not have to onboard and launch another app!

 

[Kevmark58]

Welcome to the fam. If you can’t wait and want to get a test drive in I believe the Santa Clara (Valley Fair) store has a GGT to test drive (I think they’ve got a permanent one)

Funnily enough, a Model X owner came over to me while I was charging at a Supercharger the other day and said he couldn’t wait to get rid of his X but thought the Gravity was a unicorn that didn’t really exist. After looking at the car and chatting for about 30 mins it seems he was off home to order a Gravity also as his lease was up in about 6 months. I wonder how many X owners are going to be Gravity converts soon.

I"m one of them.....can't wait to dump the X.

 

[Kevmark58]

I rode in a new Model X a few months back and was shocked at how noisy the ride was and like you said, for the price point it felt quite cheap inside. It really seems like Tesla has given up on the S & X.

Ever since I bought my MX in 2020, I've always felt as though it was 'cheap'. Cheap in materials, cheap in aesthetics, cheap in fit and finish. It's loud as heck inside the cabin, even with noise reducing tires. The ride is harsh and jarring and makes it feel as though I am in an off-road jeep or something of the sort. When I saw the Gravity last summer, I withdrew my order for a new Tesla and jumped aboard Lucid. I cannot wait until it's built (Black, 20"/21", Deluxe black interior, all other features except HUD). SA thinks/hopes that I will have it in September. Fingers crossed, but its still in "ordered" status on my dashboard.

 

[Kevmark58]

Excellent point about opening from outside. It’s embarrassing for carpools, etc. It WAS very helpful with our first X when kids were little and we had to put them in car seats, etc. Now, it’s annoying.

Interestingly, a lot of people get confused when exiting second row of our R1S as the handles are low/strange position. However, no one is confused about getting in!

Can’t wait for the Gravity to be our all around hauler and give me some of the lux ride when needed, etc.

I"m so, so, ready to have a 'real' luxury vehicle. My 2000 Bonneville felt way more sumptuous than my X ever did. My Chevy Volt was pretty spartan and now the X. The Gravity will be on a whole other level and will be our car for a good decade or so.

 

[Kevmark58]

Welcome! I have a 2019 X, and just picked up my 2026 Gravity... I'll be sharing thoughts shortly. I love my X, but the Gravity is far more luxurious and will almost certainly be our daily driver.

I truly look forward to your assessment, critique, and praise of your new wondermobile. Anxiously awaiting my build. Or orphan if one can be found. Two so far weren't even close to our specs. Passed.

 

[Kevmark58]

DDP is Tesla Enhanced Autopilot to be honest at this point. I'm wondering if there was a reason they went with Nuro for autonomous driving portion of the Uber collab, might take too long to finish up DDP in-house?

Activation one DDP from steering wheel is not consistent, sometimes require a second click, same with changing drive modes, I wonder if it's just the button responsive or software? Or me? Sometimes I glide and press on the capacitive buttons, but I thought the capacitive portion is only the direction pad, and not the button actuation bottom section.

Lane change is pretty abrupt, it starts to ease into the lane, then seems like a quick jerk and you're in the lane. Try this multiple times with same results.

Happened multiple times to me, it drives at my fixed cruising speed, then suddenly drop to posted speed limit, but setting are not set to match posted speed limits.

slight ping ponging on the lane when driving straight (I-5 in CA).

Y splits on highways are a problem. it does not know which split to take, no association with GPS destination and roads. To me, it recognizes the road and lane markings, but no intelligence behind it for decisions. and usually (in my experience) takes the split to the left if you're on left lane, and takes the split to the right if you're on the right lane. Now I'm trained to either turn off DDP or yank the squircle when a split comes up.

Lane biasing works.

once in a while, if I changed the following distance, it didn't seem to make any difference on the actual following distance.

It's good enough on the highway, that I can use it to help with driving long distance on road trips. But not as good as FSD when I don't think much about it anymore. DDP you have to be consciously thinking about it, and know it's on DDP but you're ready to do something.

These are all software fixable. So I'm not worry about it, just going to give it time to improve. FSD really improves when it hit v13.

-iThinkEV-

Total truth regarding Tesla FSD. It was pretty crappy in 2020. Constant updates, damn near monthly since then, have made it pretty fluid and smooth. I always have my foot ready and my hands on the wheel, as it will make a stupid decision, but rarely. I look forward to Lucid catching up in the next year or two. They certainly have a stupendous sensor suite, that Tesla doesn't even come close to. So quite frankly, we (Lucid) should eventually be able to blow Tesla out of the water when it comes to FSD, eventually.

 

[Kevmark58]

I agree with this assessment. It feels a lot like my X did in 2019.

It's fine; I definitely like having it vs not. Adaptive cruise control and lane-keeping are table stakes for me in a new vehicle. Lane change works, although not quite as smoothly as the Tesla today. It does not self-initiate lane change. DD2P does not interact with navigation guidance in any way.

One thing that's frustrating is that it is very noisy with alerts. Even though it can manage busy traffic just fine, any time there's a slowdown it starts beeping like crazy and flashing red steering wheels in case you need to take over. This gives me a lot of concern over its actual safety parameters -- can I use it in congested highway conditions or not? That's the situation I most want driver assistance.


I'm not convinced Nuro has anything to do with Lucid's plans. As I mentioned in a different thread, Uber has been spraying money out around the world in hopes of partnering with a viable Waymo competitor. They liked the Nuro driver, Nuro and Uber needed a vehicle partner, and Lucid probably was willing to play ball on integration costs and provide a sexy launch vehicle for the announcement. I would not assume there's anything more to it than that.

I agree 100%. Nuro is not going to take over Lucids in house software department as I see it. Simply complement it in some way.

 

[loefvinc]

Hello everyone!

I'm excited to join the Lucid community as a soon-to-be Gravity owner. I've been driving electric since 2017 and am currently trading in my 2023 Model X for what will be my first Lucid.

Living in the East Bay in the San Francisco Bay Area, I recently stopped by the Newark headquarters showroom with my wife to look at the Gravity. It was a prototype, and non-functional though gave us a pretty good idea about sizing. Though we would have loved to see it in action, climb in the back seats, etc. My significant other was impressed, so we put down a deposit for a Gravity Grand Touring with HUD and would wait the fall availability time. However, I mentioned to the team that I'd be interested if a Dream Edition became available as we usually purchase our vehicles fully optioned. Though on the website, it was not available to purchase. To my pleasant surprise, the showroom manager reached out today offering to upgrade my reservation to the Dream Edition as it appears an individual canceled in configuration we wanted (Aurora Green, Yosemite, 20/21" Wheels) and updated our portal to reflect the change.

I am very late to the game. Candidly I had no idea this vehicle existed until we began our search for a SUV that is larger to accommodate our family. Moreover we are not impressed with the Model X and all of the issues we have had since taking ownership. We are going to loose quite a bit on getting rid of the vehicle, though in the end we are exited that this SUV is best in class by far. We test drove all other competitors (Rivian, Mercedes-Benz, Hyundai, Cadillac. etc..). We will know for certain once we have completed our test drive scheduled for next week in Newark.

Looking forward to being part of this community and eventually sharing my own experiences once I take delivery!

Also a 2023 Tesla Model X owner... just received news that my car is in Chicago and will be ready to deliver within the next week or two.... can't wait. Getting a Aurora Green, Tahoe interior Dream.

 

[joec]

Total truth regarding Tesla FSD. It was pretty crappy in 2020. Constant updates, damn near monthly since then, have made it pretty fluid and smooth. I always have my foot ready and my hands on the wheel, as it will make a stupid decision, but rarely. I look forward to Lucid catching up in the next year or two. They certainly have a stupendous sensor suite, that Tesla doesn't even come close to. So quite frankly, we (Lucid) should eventually be able to blow Tesla out of the water when it comes to FSD, eventually.

This is the hope. Of course, Lucid needs to deliver on that. But it is helpful to put it in perspective. These systems take time to develop, and they always start off rough. Tesla’s especially. It was still pretty bad when I had my Model 3 a few years back. But I know it has gotten better since.

Likewise, my Air’s Dream Drive is already significantly better than when I first got the car. I know Lucid considers it a priority and are working hard at it. I trust it will be quite good just a few short years from now.

 

[hjelmn]

Also coming from a Model X. Have a dual-motor 2023 Model X which I love (for the most part). I have kids and the gull wing doors are nothing short of miraculous for getting in and out in tight parking spaces (they are not perfect but nothing still love them). I don't mind the missing stalks as I 1) HATE steering mounted shifting stalks (coming from driving manual transmission vehicles exclusively before moving on to EVs), and 2) got used to no turn signal stalk and don't really care one way or another. The car does has some minor issues that bug me but nothing really deal-breaking: front door seals coming unglued (finally fixed maybe), passenger's side front wheel trim coming off twice, door alignment, etc. I am moving on from the X (and a 3), like others, for personal reasons.

Just ordered a loaded Gravity to replace the X. Looking forward to the longer range, faster charging, larger frunk and trunk, and one less Tesla.

 

[XTesla]

We've owned 3 model X. Never really liked them as there was no good solution for skis, and it wasn't that big... but there weren't much else in 3 row EVs at the time. Our first two had issues so that is why we've owned 3, getting rid of the last of them in 2020.

Strangely enough we're down to just one car at our primary residence at the moment, and we are still waiting for our Gravity (we wanted to move away from keeping 2 Teslas in Colorado). So tomorrow I'm picking up a Signature Red X that has been upgraded to P100DL, for under $21k after rebates etc... as a temporary car while waiting for the Gravity. Hopefully the Gravity will arrive before I want to put skis onto a car full of people. It feels weird that as part of the process to get away from Tesla we are getting another of our least liked Teslas.

Ultimately the current and promised ADAS status of the Gravity (high quality lane keeping is my first requirement) kept us from getting an EV9, RS1 or ID Buzz instead.

 

[jered]

Ultimately the current and promised ADAS status of the Gravity (high quality lane keeping is my first requirement) kept us from getting an EV9, RS1 or ID Buzz instead.

FWIW, my husband drove the entire way BOS->PGH (~10 hours) last week in our Gravity and said he found it less fatiguing that our X with FSD. The Gravity ADAS on the highway is "good enough" and the vehicle itself is much more comfortable.

 

[Ron_Burgundy]

FWIW, my husband drove the entire way BOS->PGH (~10 hours) last week in our Gravity and said he found it less fatiguing that our X with FSD. The Gravity ADAS on the highway is "good enough" and the vehicle itself is much more comfortable.

Same experience but only a two hour trip. X can be a little too sure of itself which requires more attention, ironically. Gravity has less capability right now, but makes it easier to “know” what’s it’s likely to do.

 

[skystreaker]

Hello Lucid community,

I'm a 2017 Model X (100D, 7seat) owner. Now, it's a decision between the refreshing to 2026 Model X, and a Lucid Gravity.

Who's spent a good amount of time on both the Model X and Gravity?
If you have spent several months on the Gravity, is there anything you miss about the X?

Appreciate your perspectives on this.
--
My experience with the MX the last 8 years - falcon doors have been great with kids and grannies - no issues. Blowing by most cars on the road on any time i want is fun too. Software is great. Although I didn't like upgrading the MCU to make the car usable, and losing AM/FM radio.
For the negatives:

• Third row is very tight, and there's no way to fold down the center seat in the second row for 6 seat situations (Y has this but it's a small car)
• Loose body panels - This is well known.
• Seats are not comfortable - found myself missing my prior BMW X5 seats.
• Some designs that are not thought through - there's not ambient lighting from above. This is common in luxury cars today so you can see your own hands in the dark (so you can grab something feed kids, etc).

Test drove the Gravity last week, and have put in the refundable deposit. The Gravity my knowledge addresses every single one of the issues above. Awesome third row. Comfortable seats. Not sure on the ambient light but whatever. The Gravity dealer tried to show the Tesla superchargers on the map, but for some reason they never popped up. But my understanding is you can in fact charge at superchargers. Also excited about the HUD.

On the Model X, it's super clear Tesla's just neglected this vehicle the last few years. No major changes whatsoever. I'm not a big fan of FSD right now. I don't know what i'm paying for. Autopilot I get (traffic-aware and lane keeping cruise control). But full self-driving and auto-turning in to unprotected turns but it's your fault if you crash so you better stay alert - anyways. I don't like Tesla forcing me to buy FSD now to get the MX. I didn't get it in 2017, and I"m sure glad I didn't. I know the future is FSD everywhere. But there's more to that in a car. Was test driving the MX with my wife and we both agreed this did not feel at all like a $100K car.

 

[hmp10]

But my understanding is you can in fact charge at superchargers.

Lucid can charge at Tesla Superchargers either of two ways:

1. Simple, quick plug-and-charge by putting a charge card in your "Lucid wallet" in your Lucid account. No need to access either the Lucid or Tesla app to initiate a charge. However, this does not yet give you the charge fee discount if you have a Tesla charging monthly subscription. (That is reportedly in the works.)

2. Using the Tesla app to inmate a charge. This gets you the charge fee discount if you have the monthly subscription plan with Tesla.

And . . . a Gravity charges faster at a Supercharger than a Tesla does.

 

[Ron_Burgundy]

I have a 2022 X and a Gravity. Random thoughts:

1) Third row - useless in the X but my kids fight over it in the Gravity. It’s great.

2) Interior - depends what you like, but the interior is really well designed and feels a level above Tesla.

3) Driving - it’s planted and feels like it’s on rails. Super quick and amazing to drive. Our X just sits in the driveway now. Was great, but to your point, Tesla’s neglected it.

4) Ride - smoother and more enjoyable than X but still can feel the road

5) Seats - you covered. Gravity’s are awesome.

6) Software - Tesla wins here. They have a 10+ year head start and are also much better than Rivian. Lucid will keep improving, but you need to go in knowing Lucid has bugs, etc.

7) Cargo - Gravity is huge inside. Lots of space. Easily fit my huge dog kennel in back. Can’t fit in X without second row going down.

8) Range/Charge - Better range on our Gravity and it charges faster at Tesla SCs than our X. Plug and charge has worked well.

You hit most of these, but as someone who has an X and a Gravity (and an R1S) thought it may help to chime in.

Hope that helps.

 

[XTesla]

Test drove the Gravity last week, and have put in the refundable deposit. The Gravity my knowledge addresses every single one of the issues above. Awesome third row. Comfortable seats. Not sure on the ambient light but whatever. The Gravity dealer tried to show the Tesla superchargers on the map, but for some reason they never popped up. But my understanding is you can in fact charge at superchargers. Also excited about the HUD.

The Gravity can't use all superchargers, perhaps you were looking for some that were hidden because the Gravity can't charge there?

The types of superchargers:

* Magic dock (most recent ones)... have both a NACS and CCS connectors built in, can pretty much charge any CCS or NACS car.
* The previous iteration (typically v3) has a NACS connector and can charge any NACS car, and certain CCS cars if they have the adapter.
* The older ones (v2 etc) can only charge Teslas.

 

[DeaneG]

Lucid can charge at Tesla Superchargers either of two ways...

Do Tesla superchargers appear in Gravity's nav system yet? Lucid is still working on adding them to the Air's nav.