One Weekend with Lucid Gravity Dream Edition #319 (Former Model X Owner)

Late to this conversation, but I am looking forward to the middle bench row after the 2nd row in the MX. The seats were awful. It wasn’t possible to lean against anything to nap on a road trip, no arm rests, seat belts were hard for our parents to use. I did like the walk through to the 3rd row, but not enough to make up for the awful 2nd row seats.
I spent about half an hour once trying to figure out how to Tetris a half-sheet of plywood into my Model X 6-seater. The cargo space on that thing was so ridiculously bad. A 6 seat SUV that could barely fit, in any configuration, a 4’x4’ sheet of wood.
 
I spent about half an hour once trying to figure out how to Tetris a half-sheet of plywood into my Model X 6-seater. The cargo space on that thing was so ridiculously bad. A 6 seat SUV that could barely fit, in any configuration, a 4’x4’ sheet of wood.

We currently have a Signature X 7 seater (recently purchased for under $25k to get the $4k rebate while waiting for the Gravity, so actually $21k). The second row doesn't fold (unlike the later 7 seat version). I can't figure out any way to get a pair of skis into the car, and they can't go on the roof... the hitch is the only option for that. We originally owned a (different) 7 seater signature X but it got lemoned and replaced by a 6 seater (much better) and skis went between the middle seats (annoying but works).
 
We currently have a Signature X 7 seater (recently purchased for under $25k to get the $4k rebate while waiting for the Gravity, so actually $21k). The second row doesn't fold (unlike the later 7 seat version). I can't figure out any way to get a pair of skis into the car, and they can't go on the roof... the hitch is the only option for that. We originally owned a (different) 7 seater signature X but it got lemoned and replaced by a 6 seater (much better) and skis went between the middle seats (annoying but works).
You raise interesting points about storage. It is really amazing how popular the X became considering it’s really not good for family roadtrips, can’t store anything on roof, etc.

Even when they added a folding second row, it’s just not very useful. We have a 2022 seven seater X. From the B pillar forward, it’s fine. Otherwise, it’s got a ton of compromises for the FWDs.
 
All Gravity charging ports are manual. Some like it, some don’t.
Power charge port doors can be nice, but only if they're 100% dependable. On many EVs they're not. The one on our Porsche Macan is finicky. I wish we had the manual door instead.

The best part about it is the auto-close, as we sometimes forget to close the door in our Mach-E after a charge. But opening it can be a pain at times. And in extreme cases it can fail completely and leave you stranded, or forced to break it to pry it open to get a road trip charge.
 
Power charge port doors can be nice, but only if they're 100% dependable. On many EVs they're not. The one on our Porsche Macan is finicky. I wish we had the manual door instead.

The best part about it is the auto-close, as we sometimes forget to close the door in our Mach-E after a charge. But opening it can be a pain at times. And in extreme cases it can fail completely and leave you stranded, or forced to break it to pry it open to get a road trip charge.
Totally agree best and most helpful part is auto close. I personally never had an issue with our R1S or 7 seat X door. But, our old 6 seat X got to a point where it would only open via the car’s internal interface, which made it super annoying. Tesla would fix it - for $750. No thanks.

I really don’t mind the manual door in the Gravity. I thought I would, but I don’t.
 
Totally agree best and most helpful part is auto close. I personally never had an issue with our R1S or 7 seat X door. But, our old 6 seat X got to a point where it would only open via the car’s internal interface, which made it super annoying. Tesla would fix it - for $750. No thanks.

I really don’t mind the manual door in the Gravity. I thought I would, but I don’t.
That's what I've gotten in the habit of doing in the Macan - hitting the inside screen button before getting out of the car to plug. That's actually working pretty well, as long as I do everything just right. There's a "Goodbye" screen that pops up when you put the car in park and open the driver door, and that screen has the charge port door button on it. Good luck getting it to come up in any other way though.

The power port door is supposed to open with a hand press on it. Works about 70% of the time. Other times I stand there for 10 attempts with no success.
 
We currently have a Signature X 7 seater (recently purchased for under $25k to get the $4k rebate while waiting for the Gravity, so actually $21k). The second row doesn't fold (unlike the later 7 seat version). I can't figure out any way to get a pair of skis into the car, and they can't go on the roof... the hitch is the only option for that. We originally owned a (different) 7 seater signature X but it got lemoned and replaced by a 6 seater (much better) and skis went between the middle seats (annoying but works).

We have the Tesla-branded Yakima rack, with the ski & snowboard add-on, and it worked really well for us. Easy for even kids to load it (mostly), and the rear hatch can open, just barely, without having to lower the rack.

I think it would work well on the Gravity, too, though some may prefer a roof rack so that they don't need to lower the rack down when accessing the rear hatch, which I think opens outwards as much as upwards on the Gravity. We're planning on keeping the Yakima rack trying it this way.

..though, with the Gravity, unless you're going for a longer trip or have more than 4 people, it may be just as easy to load them down through the middle of the Gravity, with the middle seat down.

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You raise interesting points about storage. It is really amazing how popular the X became considering it’s really not good for family roadtrips, can’t store anything on roof, etc.

Even when they added a folding second row, it’s just not very useful. We have a 2022 seven seater X. From the B pillar forward, it’s fine. Otherwise, it’s got a ton of compromises for the FWDs.
For me anyway, they were a 1-of-1 car as an EV 3-row SUV for a while, and if you had to transport more than ~4 people sometimes (e.g., 2 kids + 2 grandparents), there was no other option at all.
 
..though, with the Gravity, unless you're going for a longer trip or have more than 4 people, it may be just as easy to load them down through the middle of the Gravity, with the middle seat down.
This. Or fold down both rows on one side and seat the 4th person in the 3rd row. With the huge frunk and interior, there's so much more space to get creative with in the Gravity without having to strap stuff to the outside.
 
Late to this conversation, but I am looking forward to the middle bench row after the 2nd row in the MX. The seats were awful. It wasn’t possible to lean against anything to nap on a road trip, no arm rests, seat belts were hard for our parents to use. I did like the walk through to the 3rd row, but not enough to make up for the awful 2nd row seats.
The only other benefit we found in our 6 seat X was the third row folks could have more leg room due pedestal seats and pointing their legs toward the middle.

Our 7 seat X’s third row is effectively unusable beyond young kids.

Let me pile on here. We have the six-row, pass through configuration, but the third row is still tight, suitable only for animals, small children and amputees. At times I wish I hadn't been so wowed by the pedestal captains chairs in the the middle row, and gone with the manual three-seat bench instead. But that would have still left us with a practically useless third row. And a claustrophobic third row at that.
 
We have the Tesla-branded Yakima rack, with the ski & snowboard add-on, and it worked really well for us. Easy for even kids to load it (mostly), and the rear hatch can open, just barely, without having to lower the rack.

I think it would work well on the Gravity, too, though some may prefer a roof rack so that they don't need to lower the rack down when accessing the rear hatch, which I think opens outwards as much as upwards on the Gravity. We're planning on keeping the Yakima rack trying it this way.

..though, with the Gravity, unless you're going for a longer trip or have more than 4 people, it may be just as easy to load them down through the middle of the Gravity, with the middle seat down.

Interestingly enough the promotional material that I looked at for the Gravity a few months ago did not show that the middle seat of the middle row could be folded independently of the left side seat... but in store I confirmed it is possible.

The Yakima hitch rack including the required bike rack seems to be about 60-70lb? Given the X has an accessory weight limit of 120lb? and the Gravity 110lb (or was that updated) I suspect you max out the weight limit at about 3-4 pairs of skis?
I've always heard people who have used hitch ski racks say bad things about them (lots of things kicked up by the road damaging or dirtying the skis) and then there is the height issue ... ground clearance plus my longest skis are over 190cm while carpark clearances at the slopes are often in the 7-8ft range. Given that after a 1 hour drive here in winter the back of an aerodynamic car is so dirty that you can't read the license plate I'm not surprised. Did you find differently?

Last winter we did a total of about 50 round trips to the snow (1-2 hours depending on resort). Most of these are daytrips for 2 people where we can (and did) fit skis inside whatever vehicle we took.
However we also did multiple full family (4 people) overnight trips (I think 4-5 of them) where it was 2 hours drive each way, and we had 67cuft of cargo not counting skis + 4 people + up to 14 pairs of skis.

For the day trips yes we'd put skis inside the Gravity, along with towels to keep the carpet dry.

However for the weeklong trips we will likely completely fill the car without skis. We could probably put 8 pairs on the roof (under the roof rack weight limit). The hitch accessory limits of both the X and the Gravity are pretty low. We might use the hitch for carrying more skis on those trips, or just pare down to 8 pairs. We could use the stowaway ski bucket for the hitch and use our sporttubes, but we'd hit the weight limit for the Gravity before we added a 3rd pair of skis.
 
Interestingly enough the promotional material that I looked at for the Gravity a few months ago did not show that the middle seat of the middle row could be folded independently of the left side seat... but in store I confirmed it is possible.

The Yakima hitch rack including the required bike rack seems to be about 60-70lb? Given the X has an accessory weight limit of 120lb? and the Gravity 110lb (or was that updated) I suspect you max out the weight limit at about 3-4 pairs of skis?
I've always heard people who have used hitch ski racks say bad things about them (lots of things kicked up by the road damaging or dirtying the skis) and then there is the height issue ... ground clearance plus my longest skis are over 190cm while carpark clearances at the slopes are often in the 7-8ft range. Given that after a 1 hour drive here in winter the back of an aerodynamic car is so dirty that you can't read the license plate I'm not surprised. Did you find differently?

Last winter we did a total of about 50 round trips to the snow (1-2 hours depending on resort). Most of these are daytrips for 2 people where we can (and did) fit skis inside whatever vehicle we took.
However we also did multiple full family (4 people) overnight trips (I think 4-5 of them) where it was 2 hours drive each way, and we had 67cuft of cargo not counting skis + 4 people + up to 14 pairs of skis.

For the day trips yes we'd put skis inside the Gravity, along with towels to keep the carpet dry.

However for the weeklong trips we will likely completely fill the car without skis. We could probably put 8 pairs on the roof (under the roof rack weight limit). The hitch accessory limits of both the X and the Gravity are pretty low. We might use the hitch for carrying more skis on those trips, or just pare down to 8 pairs. We could use the stowaway ski bucket for the hitch and use our sporttubes, but we'd hit the weight limit for the Gravity before we added a 3rd pair of skis.
Gravity needs the roof rack for the use cases you mentioned. Seems like an easy accessory to make or partner with someone on. After all, they had the time to make the absurd Gravity X roof thing…

We had the tow hitch Yakima rack for our X. It’s a) annoying as it blocks trunk access (yes you can move it, but it’s not super easy) and b) skis get caked with snow and ice and road crap.
 
Wow, that's a lot of skis.
The regular Gravity has a roof rack in some older press photos so I assume they'll make one at some point.View attachment 33326
Does seem like 8 pairs on the roof and 6 inside (in bags?) is the way to go.
There’s a spot for them on the roof, so I am sure Lucid will make them “soon”. Honestly, I’d far prefer to have roof rack than the frunk seat, but I get the “gimmick” of the frunk seat and why they had to make it first.

The photo is crazy. Those are the 22/23” performance wheels (I believe) on a beach. Ummm. Highly unlikely. But makes for a pretty pic.

The rack in that photo is either a) one off made for the photos, etc or b) digitally added to the photo for press pictures.
 
There’s a spot for them on the roof, so I am sure Lucid will make them “soon”. Honestly, I’d far prefer to have roof rack than the frunk seat, but I get the “gimmick” of the frunk seat and why they had to make it first.

The photo is crazy. Those are the 22/23” performance wheels (I believe) on a beach. Ummm. Highly unlikely. But makes for a pretty pic.

The rack in that photo is either a) one off made for the photos, etc or b) digitally added to the photo for press pictures.

Well, on concrete near a beach at least.

The crazy thing is if you look on ebay you'll see a bunch of listings for third party roof rack bars (as well as cargo covers). I wonder if anyone has been brave enough to try them yet.
 
Well, on concrete near a beach at least.

The crazy thing is if you look on ebay you'll see a bunch of listings for third party roof rack bars (as well as cargo covers). I wonder if anyone has been brave enough to try them yet.
I did notice that in August. It’s crazy. Even if they “fit” I’d be concerned they’d fall off or something…
 
For me anyway, they were a 1-of-1 car as an EV 3-row SUV for a while, and if you had to transport more than ~4 people sometimes (e.g., 2 kids + 2 grandparents), there was no other option at all.
Given all the people claiming that the Gravity isn't an SUV, I've been surprised at not hearing pushback on the X and Y being called SUVs. The Y in particular just strikes me as being a bloated sedan. Or to put it another way: if the Gravity isn't an SUV, then neither is anything Tesla makes. Of course, the whole debate about labels is ultimately pointless.
 
Given all the people claiming that the Gravity isn't an SUV, I've been surprised at not hearing pushback on the X and Y being called SUVs. The Y in particular just strikes me as being a bloated sedan. Or to put it another way: if the Gravity isn't an SUV, then neither is anything Tesla makes. Of course, the whole debate about labels is ultimately pointless.
Yeah, those aren't SUVs either. The craziest thing I saw was someone claiming that the Gravity isn't an SUV because it's too boxy. To me an SUV is a vehicle designed to go off road (forest service road != off road). The R1S, G-class, and Hummer are the only EV SUVs. The Gravity is a large lifted station wagon with a short hood that kinda makes it look like a squashed minivan.
 
The Yakima hitch rack including the required bike rack seems to be about 60-70lb? Given the X has an accessory weight limit of 120lb? and the Gravity 110lb (or was that updated) I suspect you max out the weight limit at about 3-4 pairs of skis?
I've always heard people who have used hitch ski racks say bad things about them (lots of things kicked up by the road damaging or dirtying the skis) and then there is the height issue ... ground clearance plus my longest skis are over 190cm while carpark clearances at the slopes are often in the 7-8ft range. Given that after a 1 hour drive here in winter the back of an aerodynamic car is so dirty that you can't read the license plate I'm not surprised. Did you find differently?

Our use case was a max of 5 skis/snowboards, so it may have gotten somewhat near the limit of the hitch (60 lbs for the rack and the carrier; 8-15lb per ski + snowboard (less for kids' ones)), but nothing that bothered us. You would run out of room on the rack before you bothered the hitch weight limit in a way that would hurt the car.

I didn't notice that they got particularly dirty. I think all but the lowest tips are out of the path of the road grime.

I agree that a roof rack makes sense for a lot of people, if there are too many skis or people to fit inside the car. The downside is that it can be a bit harder for some folks to load, and is less aerodynamic. Agreed that best is inside the vehicle, if possible... less worries about theft in that case, also.
 
Only because CA is standardizing to double parallel lines. The law seems a little ambiguous: https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/codes_displaySection.xhtml?lawCode=VEH&sectionNum=21655.8. but IANAL.

"...entrance or exit may be made only in areas designated for these purposes or where a single broken line is in place to the right of the exclusive or preferential use lanes"

My understanding is that unless the line is broken, you cannot move into or out of the lane. I mean, people do this all the time (myself included), but it's not legal, per my understanding. The CA code does specify double lines, but my understanding is that is an artifact of not all the roads being standardized yet.

I could certainly be wrong, and some of the internet seems to think it is 'discouraged, but not illegal,' but I have not been able to find a primary source for that. Seems to me that the best you can say is it's ambiguous, but again - not a lawyer and might simply be looking in the wrong place.
That seems to be relevant for HOV lanes. One thing that struck me when I first got a license in CA was that the DMV handbook explicitly stated that crossing a solid white line must be done with extra caution, since it was illegal where I had lived before. I was under the impression that it was illegal overall, but California showed me otherwise. The problem with the CA DMV handbook at the time, which might still be true, it that it talked a lot about what you should do, and didn't distinguish between good practices and legal requirements. For example, at the time, I should have used my headlights when it rained, and years later, it became the law that I must do so. Cars will need to conform to best practices, as well as the law.

But even that can be problematic. For example, the DMV manual in CA says that if you want to change lanes, you should signal and check to make sure there's sufficient space to do so before starting a lane change. The vehicle code explicitly says that it can be done in that situation if doing so won't create a hazard. But the vehicle code does not explicitly require other drivers to slow down to let you in. They are not allowed to obstruct traffic, or maintain an unsafe following distance, as would be the case if they zoom forward and tailgate the car in front. A vehicle in front has the right of way, and once you cross over when changing lanes, you are the vehicle in front. But this has nothing to do with typical driver behavior. Vehicles going straight have the right of way over vehicles in adjacent lanes, but it's a question of whether the vehicle in the adjacent lane is the vehicle in front, especially after it starts to change lanes. The CHP leans toward the person already in the lane not having to yield. But the DMV manual says that person should slow down to let the person change lanes. So it's not always a case of "the law allows it" or "it's best practice" but of whether the other vehicle can or will do something.
Does anyone have a sense whether the Gravity or the X is the safer car in a crash? We bought an X a couple years ago partially because it had gotten very positive crash test reviews, but recently I've come to find out that the Tesla model Y has a much higher fatality rate than normal (possibly due to speed & clientele, or FSD mistakes), whereas for awhile I thought it was supposed to be pretty safe in a crash (the story about the family surviving the cliff-drop). Something about the doors not being able to be opened after a frontal crash, if the car catches on fire.

As far as rattles go in an X, I just got one fixed in our front suspension... bolt was loose.
NHTSA started grading vehicles for safety because there was no such scale. It provided useful data since some cars got low grades and others got high grades. Over the years, manufacturers changed designs to conform to specific tests, making the tests essentially meaningless with respect to the original purpose, which was to tell you which car is safer. They really need to update the requirements to go beyond demonstrating whether a vehicle conforms to requirements, and come up with something that shows what's safer. For now, just about all vehicles get an A, so the tests don't tell you anything.

EV fires tend to spread slowly, giving people more than enough time to get out, assuming the crash is survivable. A PCFFF can be far more dangerous, and was a particularly high risk when fuel tanks were in the rear. As far as doors getting stuck, it's a thorny issue. There are crumple zones, which could result in doors getting jammed, or being forced open. Back in another century when I was professionally involved with these sorts of investigations, there were lawsuits if the doors didn't stay intact. I don't know about the Cybertruck, but with the Model X, it should be easy enough to break a window. And if the owner has the child safety feature, the back seat passenger might not be able to get out anyway.

Given all the people claiming that the Gravity isn't an SUV, I've been surprised at not hearing pushback on the X and Y being called SUVs. The Y in particular just strikes me as being a bloated sedan. Or to put it another way: if the Gravity isn't an SUV, then neither is anything Tesla makes. Of course, the whole debate about labels is ultimately pointless.

I'd call it a crossover vehicle. I'd also say that that's what people need, even if they don't want to admit it. I might even go so far as calling it a station wagon, in the sense of the original ones that took people to and from train stations. I don't mean that at all in any pejorative sense. The design is optimal for what most people need. But station wagons became uncool because they were "mom's cars." I see nothing uncool about women or mothers. Minivans overcame the stigma since they had the machismo of vans. Si calling it a minivan should not have been pejorative, except that over time, minivans became known as soccer moms' cars. Again, I see nothing wrong with soccer, moms, or women.

So now we have crossovers. The idea of a classic SUV with a truck suspension doesn't even make sense with respect to an EV, since there's no drive shaft and wheels have to have independent suspension anyway. So what would constitute an SUV is pretty much meaningless. Whether it's good for off road or has ground clearance is another matter, and one that few people care about.
 
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