Ok, what's the deal with aftermarket wheels and "hub centricity"?

[LucidGoosey]

I'm a bit confused with the responses I've been getting regarding aftermarket wheels on the Lucid.

I wanted to go from 19s to 20s on my Air, and was quoted $8,000 for a Stealth 20" wheel and tire set from Lucid (yes, that's EIGHT THOUSAND DOLLARS), so was looking at aftermarket wheels with the same bolt pattern, but I've been reading that there are other things to consider than bolt pattern for these cars.

What do I need to look out for, and what makes these cars so finicky that Lucid won't even look at touching your tires / wheels if they're not from Lucid themselves?

 

[Neurio]

Thread '19" and 20" wheel measurements' https://lucidowners.com/threads/19-and-20-wheel-measurements.4953/

 

[MGRMLN]

Aftermarket wheels of high quality for luxury cars are similar, if not more than $8k, FWIW.

 

[Neurio]

And the $8k includes the tires too. They used to be around $6500 all inclusive, so prices have increased since I bought my 20s from another owner.

 

[terrycs]

I'm a bit confused with the responses I've been getting regarding aftermarket wheels on the Lucid.

I wanted to go from 19s to 20s on my Air, and was quoted $8,000 for a Stealth 20" wheel and tire set from Lucid (yes, that's EIGHT THOUSAND DOLLARS), so was looking at aftermarket wheels with the same bolt pattern, but I've been reading that there are other things to consider than bolt pattern for these cars.

What do I need to look out for, and what makes these cars so finicky that Lucid won't even look at touching your tires / wheels if they're not from Lucid themselves?

There should be no problem going with aftermarket wheels ... especially If you are duplicating the factory wheel and tire sizes. However if you are deviating from the factory configuration, the key things to consider are correct widths and offsets.

For custom configurations, you can always duplicate what others have done ... but a reputable wheel manufacturer will be able to help you with that. After all, they are the one on the hook if they recommend a custom configuration that doesn't fit and function properly.

Also ... Lucid will work on an Air with aftermarket wheels and tires. I've taken mine in with no issues.

 

[LucidGoosey]

And the $8k includes the tires too. They used to be around $6500 all inclusive, so prices have increased since I bought my 20s from another owner.

This just seems so insane to me, I don't see anything specific about how Lucid or its wheels are designed that justifies a 400% premium over any other wheels.

For the record, I'm looking to go with these, which are listed by the vendor as being compatible with the Lucid Air Pure (and I'm keeping the same Lucid recommended sizes):

Replika R241 Satin Black 20x8.5 +35 5x120mm 64.1mm

Buy Replika R241 20x8.5 5x120mm +35 64.1mm BLK / SAT (SKU: R241-2085-12BT+35C641) wheels online, shipped straight to your door anywhere in Canada.

wheelwiz.ca

 

[momo3605]

This just seems so insane to me, I don't see anything specific about how Lucid or its wheels are designed that justifies a 400% premium over any other wheels.

For the record, I'm looking to go with these, which are listed by the vendor as being compatible with the Lucid Air Pure (and I'm keeping the same Lucid recommended sizes):

Replika R241 Satin Black 20x8.5 +35 5x120mm 64.1mm

Buy Replika R241 20x8.5 5x120mm +35 64.1mm BLK / SAT (SKU: R241-2085-12BT+35C641) wheels online, shipped straight to your door anywhere in Canada.

wheelwiz.ca

Please Don't buy these kind of wheels...these are very low quality cast alloys. They can be destroyed easily by potholes and cracks in the road. Ideally you want something forged. Quality Forged wheels start around $3k/set

 

[borski]

Please Don't buy these kind of wheels...these are very low quality cast alloys. They can be destroyed easily by potholes and cracks in the road. Ideally you want something forged. Quality Forged wheels start around $3k/set

The Lucid wheels (aside from DE and Sapphire which are forged) are cast as well, but extremely high quality. That’s the price difference.

Then there’s just the brand premium itself.

But yes, please go high quality, forged if possible. It’s a very heavy car.

 

[LucidGoosey]

Please Don't buy these kind of wheels...these are very low quality cast alloys. They can be destroyed easily by potholes and cracks in the road. Ideally you want something forged. Quality Forged wheels start around $3k/set

Although this is my first Lucid, I've had EVs and other cars before, live in a place with horrible potholes and roads, and never had a wheel "destroyed" by potholes or cracks (tire damage a couple times, yes).

If the load rating exceeds what the car weighs, such as these purpose-built titanium wheels https://wheelwiz.ca/products/fe01eb-b-2085-12tn-35c641, what is the real danger? My car doesn't weigh any more than a Model S.

 

[momo3605]

If the load rating exceeds what the car weighs, such as these purpose-built titanium wheels https://wheelwiz.ca/products/fe01eb-b-2085-12tn-35c641, what is the real danger? My car doesn't weigh any more than a Model S.

I believe this is just a titanium looking finish. The wheels are still just basic cast alloy.

Although this is my first Lucid, I've had EVs and other cars before, live in a place with horrible potholes and roads, and never had a wheel "destroyed" by potholes or cracks (tire damage a couple times, yes).

Have you ever used $150 wheels before on your other cars and EVs?

 

[rfc805]

Are you sure $8000? Because they're on the Lucid Store

20" Aero Lite Stealth Summer Wheel & Tire Package

Lucid Motors official store for Lucid Motors and Lucid Air t-shirts, jackets, caps, and drinkware. Browse our Lucid Living accessories and merchandise collection.

store.lucidmotors.com

and they're $6000.

 

[momo3605]

Are you sure $8000? Because they're on the Lucid Store

20" Aero Lite Stealth Summer Wheel & Tire Package

Lucid Motors official store for Lucid Motors and Lucid Air t-shirts, jackets, caps, and drinkware. Browse our Lucid Living accessories and merchandise collection.

store.lucidmotors.com

and they're $6000.

He's in Canada. But technically $8k Canadian is only $5500 USD, so it's even cheaper there

 

[borski]

I believe this is just a titanium looking finish. The wheels are still just basic cast alloy.

Hm they appear to be flow formed. And Canadian. That’s better than I assumed.

Fast Wheels | Canada’s Leading Direct Fit, Performance Alloy Wheels

fastco.ca

 

[momo3605]

Hm they appear to be flow formed. And Canadian. That’s better than I assumed.

Fast Wheels | Canada’s Leading Direct Fit, Performance Alloy Wheels

fastco.ca

Hmm yea flow-formed would be acceptable, as long as the load ratings and everything are ok.

 

[rfc805]

Anyhow, aside from bolt pattern

width
offset
bore size

bore size only needs to be correct or larger, but if larger, you need to purchase appropriate centering rings

Hub centricity refers to how the wheel centers on the hub. There is bolt centricity and hub centricity. With bolt centricity, the bolt seats are responsible for centering the wheel, with hub centricity, the hub and bore are usually slightly tapered, and as the wheel tightens to the hub, it centers out on the hub rather than by the bolts. Both of these need to have a proper bore to center, so the bore size or centering ring need to be correct/decent quality or your wheels will not center properly, which is similar but worse to having a wheel badly out of balance.

You'll also need to purchase a correct set of TPMS sensors.

 

[LucidGoosey]

Thank you for your comments and for explaining the nuances of all this...
(wasn't trying to start a war, just find some nice summer wheels without spending a Ducati on them... )

 

[rfc805]

FWIW, $6000 USD is really not bad for a decent set of wheels+tires+tpms mounted/balanced.

The tires alone are going to be like $1400-$1500.

There are cheap wheels, some are OK, some aren't so OK, a lot are just really ugly or cheap looking once you see them in person - if you care about that.

The TPMS will run you at least like $120-200.

$1000/wheel for an OEM wheel is pretty normal on any "sporty" vehicle. They don't re-sell for anywhere near that, but, it's normal.

If you aren't in a huge hurry, you can often find sellers getting rid of takeoff sets with very low mileage on eBay for 50% or so of retail OE prices, like these https://www.ebay.com/itm/226458890189

Aftermarket wheels often sell for even less later, or won't sell at all.

Do what makes you happiest, that's what it's all about. Tirerack has good sales support if you give them a phone call and tell them what you're looking for.