Lucid tesla adapter

[hellolucid]

"Supercharging an Air is limited to 50kw, so this is really only useful for emergencies."
Until this changes, it's really hard for this Aur owner to get excited about Tesla SC access.

i would take a consistent 50kwh charger over an unreliable EA charging station. in my observation, my chances of finding an open working charger without wait is much higher at Tesla locations. fwiw EA has massively improved their reliability (compared to 2yrs ago) but most EA places around me have only 4 chargers which is very limiting especially if you live in an area with a lot of EV cars.

 

[RAF42]

I've actually never fast charged my Air until today (drove to local 3 station EA site just to test how it works (as we are leaving on a ~1000 mile trip later this week; always have home or hotel destination charged prior). Worked seamlessly, pulled in at 75% and charged to 80%, so successful test.

This brought up to me what I think might be a fringe case for using a Supercharger when the Air finally gets access. Besides using a Supercharger as an emergency or Plan B charger, I can see a case where you need to charge to a high SOC (like 95% - 100%), or pull in at a relatively high (60% - 70%) SOC but need more to get to your desired destination w/o stopping.

Since the Air's (Touring in my case) charging curve drops down significantly around 60% (I was getting between 50 to 58 in my test today at relatively high SOC), a Supercharger would have been fine if I needed to charge up high (assuming the Supercharger did not limit charging to 80% because it's a "high demand" site).

Yeah, "needing" to charge at a high'ish SOC is probably a stupid scenario, but it is a case where the 50kwh limit might not be as much of a penalty.

 

[johnse]

NVH

Noise, Vibration and Harshness

 

[johnse]

assuming the Supercharger did not limit charging to 80% because it's a "high demand" site

In my experience, the High Demand site will automatically adjust a Tesla's charge limit to 80%. But the accompanying message tells you that it's OK to set it higher if needed for your trip.

I don't know if it will do the same automatic reduction on non-Tesla vehicles, but the ability to charge past 80% should be the same.

 

[DeaneG]

"Supercharging an Air is limited to 50kw, so this is really only useful for emergencies."
Until this changes, it's really hard for this Aur owner to get excited about Tesla SC access.

We'll be watching and hoping for those 1000V V4 power cabinets.

 

[L-Dude]

Is there any way to determine the version number of a Tesla SC from either the Tesla site, app or third party app?

 

[DeaneG]

Is there any way to determine the version number of a Tesla SC from either the Tesla site, app or third party app?

V3 and Superchargers, and V4 stands (longer cable) with V3 power cabinets, are rated at 250kW. Any power rating below that won't be a station accessible to non-Tesla vehicles.
If you add a Gravity to your phone's Tesla app (you don't have to own one to do this), it'll show compatible stations. Or on Plugshare, filter by 250kW min and max power rating.

 

[RD7]

Great post thanks for the summary. NVH?

Noise, Vibration, and Harshness.

 

[RD7]

Do you recommend an adaptor for the NASC?

As @DeaneG said, I am waiting for Lucid to put out an "official" one. Technically, AFAIK, only manufacturer-released adapters are permitted at any CPO (Charge Point Operator).

 

[RD7]

V3 and Superchargers, and V4 stands (longer cable) with V3 power cabinets, are rated at 250kW. Any power rating below that won't be a station accessible to non-Tesla vehicles.
If you add a Gravity to your phone's Tesla app (you don't have to own one to do this), it'll show compatible stations. Or on Plugshare, filter by 250kW min and max power rating.

You can tell by looking at them as well as in the Tesla app.

• V2 dispensers have very thick, heavy cables with an arched cabinet. They are limited to 150kw max, 75kw if shared and both sides taking full power. You can identify them in the Tesla app as "150kw". No V2 dispenser will work with non-Tesla vehicles.
• V3 dispensers have the same style charging dispenser cabinet, but with thinner cables. These can deliver 250kw and do not share power with another dispenser. The Tesla app/webpage will show these as "250kw". However, only V3 dispensers showing the NACS symbol in the Tesla online webpage will work with non-Tesla vehicles. (The Tesla app will only show compatible stations if you use the "Charge my Other EV" option.) Requires an adapter.
• V3+ dispensers have a sold dispenser cabinet (consists of the V4 dispenser but with the V3 charger). A select number of these can deliver 325kw, but only for cars that can handle 600A, which today is just the CT and a Volvo EX90. The Tesla app/webpage will show these as "250kw" or "325kw". However, only V3 dispensers showing the NACS symbol in the Tesla webpage will work with non-Tesla vehicles. (The Tesla app will only show compatible stations if you use the "Charge my Other EV" option.) Since this is a V4 dispenser, the MagicDock adapter is built-in and you do not need to supply your own.
• V4 Cabinets will offer up to 1000V and 615A, allowing you to hit the max ~400kw max on a Gravity. Will supposedly be installed starting in Q3, but it's Elon, so who knows?

 

[DeaneG]

You can tell by looking at them as well as in the Tesla app.
...V3+ dispensers[/B] have a sold dispenser cabinet (consists of the V4 dispenser but with the V3 charger). A select number of these can deliver 325kw, but only for cars that can handle 600A, which today is just the CT and a Volvo EX90...

The Polestar 3 can also draw 600 amps.

 

[johnse]

The Polestar 3 can also draw 600 amps.

That will let it get about 250kw (stated charging rate on Polestar's web site) with its 400V battery architecture.

 

[RD7]

That will let it get about 250kw (stated charging rate on Polestar's web site) with its 400V battery architecture.

I was not aware of that one, but I'm not surprised given the common Geely ownership.