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Lucid Intends to Deliver First Level 4 Autonomous EVs for Consumers with NVIDIA
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Understood.
With DD2 Pro having "Future-capable ADAS hardware for driving and parking with one of the most comprehensive sensor suites available" your question is a good one.
I'm hopeful Lucid will continue to provide upgrades (free or paid) for my Gravity.
Especially like the new CCC for the Air.
I hopeful for a continue progression of L2++.
My Gravity's ADAS and I are still developing our level of trust.
Not even sure I want L3 and above.
I say that now.
Anyone seriously wanting L3 and above is probably leasing; makes sense.
Today is the day Air is officially in the back burner 
With that said, i am only waiting for quick profile switch, Halo, 3.0 and auto lane change on highway. That is good enough for the rest of its life.
With that said, i am only waiting for quick profile switch, Halo, 3.0 and auto lane change on highway. That is good enough for the rest of its life.
Unlike Lucid, Nvidia knows how to write software, so it might be closer than that.
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Look up how the Nvidia software works. In a nutshell, they basically provide the baseline and it’s on the automaker to develop on top of the Nvidia stack. Prime example is Mercedes uses Nvidia also and offers L3, Lucid does not.
It looks that you are right, just putting a Jetson Thor and starting off with Nvidia's standard software will not give them much. I thought it's a closer collaboration.
Lol... you beat me to it! I was gonna ask if L2++ update comes before or after they figure out how make the key unlock the door and the screens come on immediately thereafter!
I don’t give a schiit about self-driving. And I am not that old. I enjoy driving myself. Especially great driving cars. That’s just me. If I wanted to be driven, I would take Uber, I can afford it. Or a bus. My Lucid was preceded by two back to back Teslas with FSD. So….
Having said that, I have realized over time that too many people, to my surprise, love being driven, so there is definitely a market for that stuff. I am open minded , so I can always adapt
Having said that, I have realized over time that too many people, to my surprise, love being driven, so there is definitely a market for that stuff. I am open minded , so I can always adapt
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The PR talks about the same processor set that's already in Gravity. This is just a puff piece.
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As I posted elsewhere, I think they will match this timeline: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_predictions_for_autonomous_Tesla_vehicles_by_Elon_Musk
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Why not the timeline of Waymo, Zoox, Nuro, or any of the various companies around the world who had pulled this off? I get that Elon over promises, but at this point it’s not a crazy idea.
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The Gravity is using Orin X. The way I read the statement is Gravity will get hands off point to point (maybe L3) but L4 will be for earth with Thor.
Regardless, I’m not holding my breath for any of this coming soon.
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Because Lucid does not have any indication of having the size or skill of software team necessary to deliver this, or the training infrastructure necessary to support such a team. (They can't even deliver a working key...) Based on the previously announced Nuro partnership, the fastest path would be to license one of the Driver systems you mention, if those companies are willing.
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So you think they could license this technology but you also think they might not?
Agree, level 4 will be the cheaper midsize, and it will come to Gravity and Air eventually with model updates. Uber wants those midsize as their robotaxi
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I thought the press release spelled it out pretty clearly, though some here seem to be misinterpreting it.
The Air is feature complete, as far as ADAS goes. It’ll get improvements, I’m sure. But none of what was announced today will apply to today’s Air. Perhaps some future refreshed Air will add some of this new stuff, but Lucid is not promising that. And they never did. All of the ADAS features they announced at the Air’s launch have already been delivered.
I still expect the current Air to get other features that are now being worked on for Gravity. And bug fixes, of course. Just not any major new ADAS stuff.
Gravity will get Level 2++ sometime late next year. They don’t spell out exactly what this means, but think what FSD has today. City streets. Hands free. Maybe pulling in and out of tight parking spaces with you not in the car?
They could obviously miss that deadline and ship it a bit later. But late next year is the intention. They are closer to that already than most here think.
Midsize will ship with whatever Gravity has at the time Midsize ships. Because Midsize will be on the same stack as Gravity. Sometime LATER (think a few years or more down the line) Midsize (and only midsize) will get full L4 capability. Meaning not only hands-free, but eyes free, sit in the back of the car if you want, full autonomy. No one has yet delivered this. Mercedes has come closest, but even that is limited in speeds. Waymo and other robotaxis don’t really offer this either, as they have people monitoring all their cars 24/7, ready to take over in a pinch.
I’ve always been skeptical of any timelines for L4. Tesla, obviously, has been promising it for over a decade and has not come close. But sooner or later, someone is going to make this work. I always said ten years when others were saying five. Maybe we’re finally down to less than five?
The reason Midsize is the only model that will get L4 is because it will have a new chip that the current Gravity doesn’t have. It’s a hardware limitation. NVIDIA has clearly set this chip as a requirement for L4, at least in their minds.
Like Air, I’m sure Gravity could in theory get a refresh that includes this new chip eventually. But I wouldn’t bank on it for at least a few years after Midsize ships.
The Air is feature complete, as far as ADAS goes. It’ll get improvements, I’m sure. But none of what was announced today will apply to today’s Air. Perhaps some future refreshed Air will add some of this new stuff, but Lucid is not promising that. And they never did. All of the ADAS features they announced at the Air’s launch have already been delivered.
I still expect the current Air to get other features that are now being worked on for Gravity. And bug fixes, of course. Just not any major new ADAS stuff.
Gravity will get Level 2++ sometime late next year. They don’t spell out exactly what this means, but think what FSD has today. City streets. Hands free. Maybe pulling in and out of tight parking spaces with you not in the car?
They could obviously miss that deadline and ship it a bit later. But late next year is the intention. They are closer to that already than most here think.
Midsize will ship with whatever Gravity has at the time Midsize ships. Because Midsize will be on the same stack as Gravity. Sometime LATER (think a few years or more down the line) Midsize (and only midsize) will get full L4 capability. Meaning not only hands-free, but eyes free, sit in the back of the car if you want, full autonomy. No one has yet delivered this. Mercedes has come closest, but even that is limited in speeds. Waymo and other robotaxis don’t really offer this either, as they have people monitoring all their cars 24/7, ready to take over in a pinch.
I’ve always been skeptical of any timelines for L4. Tesla, obviously, has been promising it for over a decade and has not come close. But sooner or later, someone is going to make this work. I always said ten years when others were saying five. Maybe we’re finally down to less than five?
The reason Midsize is the only model that will get L4 is because it will have a new chip that the current Gravity doesn’t have. It’s a hardware limitation. NVIDIA has clearly set this chip as a requirement for L4, at least in their minds.
Like Air, I’m sure Gravity could in theory get a refresh that includes this new chip eventually. But I wouldn’t bank on it for at least a few years after Midsize ships.
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For those who aren’t aware of the current shipping schedule: Midsize will be revealed sometime early next year. And it is currently supposed to be in production by the end of next year.
If you know your Lucid history, you’ll remember that Gravity ended up missing its late 2024 production deadline by quite a few months. Personally, I think Midsize will not face the same challenges as Gravity did. Mostly because Midsize will most likely share the same software platform as Gravity when it ships. That gives Lucid’s software team another year to get the kinks worked out of the Gravity UX.
Production delays due to hardware could still be an issue, of course. But I think there’s a decent chance by mid 2027 Midsize will be well on its way. With Level 2++ autonomy a strong possibility.
Do I care about any of this? I do, to the extent that it will help Lucid sell cars. Self-driving tech is going to be table stakes once someone ships it. Better for Lucid to be pushing forward rather than falling behind.
But personally, what I have right now in my Air is more than enough for me. I just did an 1,100-mile road trip, and Hands-Free-Drive-Assist worked very well. Had a few “Oh crap” moments, as one does with any Level 1-2 type system. But compared to what it was when I got the car, it’s a dream. (Pun intended.)
To those who think “How can Lucid do Level 4 when they still have fob issues?” I will remind you that more than one person works at Lucid. And the people who do the entry features don’t work on the ADAS team.
That’s like asking “How could Lucid ship their own in-house rear torque vectoring software when they still have fob issues?”
If you know your Lucid history, you’ll remember that Gravity ended up missing its late 2024 production deadline by quite a few months. Personally, I think Midsize will not face the same challenges as Gravity did. Mostly because Midsize will most likely share the same software platform as Gravity when it ships. That gives Lucid’s software team another year to get the kinks worked out of the Gravity UX.
Production delays due to hardware could still be an issue, of course. But I think there’s a decent chance by mid 2027 Midsize will be well on its way. With Level 2++ autonomy a strong possibility.
Do I care about any of this? I do, to the extent that it will help Lucid sell cars. Self-driving tech is going to be table stakes once someone ships it. Better for Lucid to be pushing forward rather than falling behind.
But personally, what I have right now in my Air is more than enough for me. I just did an 1,100-mile road trip, and Hands-Free-Drive-Assist worked very well. Had a few “Oh crap” moments, as one does with any Level 1-2 type system. But compared to what it was when I got the car, it’s a dream. (Pun intended.)
To those who think “How can Lucid do Level 4 when they still have fob issues?” I will remind you that more than one person works at Lucid. And the people who do the entry features don’t work on the ADAS team.
That’s like asking “How could Lucid ship their own in-house rear torque vectoring software when they still have fob issues?”
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It seems like most owners are souring on Lucid software development capabilities which is completely understandable; let's just not forget all the other features of the vehicles that are software based and are working reliably. I am critical of Lucid software development as well but I believe they have the right approach and attitude to get their software development issues fixed. Let's not give up on them. Thanks for your patience!
So I know the Air wasn’t mentioned in the announcement, but they did mention at several occasion when developing the car that the Air was Level 3 ready :
We have developed Lucid DreamDrive to be among the most advanced ADAS to ever be offered to consumers," said Dr. Eugene Lee, Senior Director, ADAS and Autonomous Driving, Lucid Motors. "By prioritizing safety and updateability, DreamDrive also sets the stage for offering increasingly sophisticated driver assistance features. We have ensured that the Lucid DreamDrive hardware and software platform not only offers a full suite of Level 2 features, but is also Level 3 ready, which means we'll be able to quickly add features and functions over-the-air throughout the lifetime of Lucid Air and for future Lucid models."
And :
The DreamDrive technology suite supports 19 key safety, driving, and parking assist features that will be available on Lucid Air immediately upon start of production, with another eight features expected to be available later via over-the-air (OTA) updates. Additional DreamDrive capabilities to enable Level 3 driving in certain conditions are also in development.
So I do not feel like the current capacity of DDP are currently maxed out, so I would be disappointed if Point-to-point Hands-on is not shipped at some time on current airs if Hands off point to point is considered L2++.
I mean a Tells Model 3 with HW3 (which I believe to be way lower specs than DDP) can do it (yes it’s far from perfect and should not be called FSD).
We have developed Lucid DreamDrive to be among the most advanced ADAS to ever be offered to consumers," said Dr. Eugene Lee, Senior Director, ADAS and Autonomous Driving, Lucid Motors. "By prioritizing safety and updateability, DreamDrive also sets the stage for offering increasingly sophisticated driver assistance features. We have ensured that the Lucid DreamDrive hardware and software platform not only offers a full suite of Level 2 features, but is also Level 3 ready, which means we'll be able to quickly add features and functions over-the-air throughout the lifetime of Lucid Air and for future Lucid models."
And :
The DreamDrive technology suite supports 19 key safety, driving, and parking assist features that will be available on Lucid Air immediately upon start of production, with another eight features expected to be available later via over-the-air (OTA) updates. Additional DreamDrive capabilities to enable Level 3 driving in certain conditions are also in development.
So I do not feel like the current capacity of DDP are currently maxed out, so I would be disappointed if Point-to-point Hands-on is not shipped at some time on current airs if Hands off point to point is considered L2++.
I mean a Tells Model 3 with HW3 (which I believe to be way lower specs than DDP) can do it (yes it’s far from perfect and should not be called FSD).
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Well, nobody even has an L4 autonomy solution.... the closest today is probably Waymo, in very limited markets. So, yes, they could license this technology someday. I do not think Lucid has the capability to build it.
The press release is just forward-looking nonsense. I can write a press release that I intend to fly to the moon under my own power with Nvidia -- obviously that is never going to happen, and if I say that to you you'd think I was a crazy person and not to be trusted. That's why I find this sort of PR to be insulting.