Lots of Gravity inventory in Miami World Center garage.

[TahoeMichael]

That could be true but honestly I do not know about the service centers in Germany yet. Not having a gravity yet. Asked the sales rep about sc issues because I read so many bad things here...he said it is also taking 4 weeks for one of his customers at the moment...
That is crazy considering the low sales of lucid in Germany..
These sales are nothing...

Service seems to be the #1 issue for Lucid now. My sense is that they are taking the problems seriously, and the situation is likely to improve, at least in the USA. I have little insight into the situation in Europe. It's probably economically challenging to have enough service locations and parts stored nearby, given the relatively small number of vehicles sold that they have to amortize the costs across. But clearly they have ambition to sell higher volume in Europe, and they're going to have to make the investment at some point.

 

[exxxviii]

Price means nothing….Toyotas are cheap and they are better than a BNW at some things.

Oh, I paid 100k so my car needs to the best at everything doesn’t make sense.

Each customer has their expectation. Yours are not based on reality. You are free to expect what you want, but that’s not how the world works.

I think you are wrong, because price absolutely matters. Price is what centers these cars in the top tier luxury class (excluding the ultra luxury Rolls & Bentley class). If the Gravity Grand Touring was a $95K car, we would be praising its value alongside other luxury cars like the Vistiq or EX90. Conversely, if Hyundai slapped a $120K price tag on the Ioniq 9, folks would expect better materials, audio, performance, range, etc. At $120K, Lucid and the Gravity's maturity issues are glaring. I think Lucid is playing with an out-of-date playbook that would have worked ten years ago, but is struggling today. There are too many competitors with high quality products and ownership experiences.

About 10 years ago, the Tesla Model S was selling for around $85K. That was roughly the same price as a BMW 7 Series. This is around $123K in today's dollars, coincidentally, the same price as a Gravity Grand Touring today. The 7 Series then and now is regarded as one of the top dogs of automotive luxury (excluding the ultra luxury class). The 2015 Tesla was not that a car great from a luxury standpoint. The support experience was rough, the cars were not built with the same high-level materials or craftmanship as a BMW 7 Series, the design was plain, and they had software and hardware problems. But the Model S offered a truly unique experience that nothing else offered, all the BEV stuff we know and love: supercar performance in a comfortable sedan, no gas stations, almost no regular maintenance, and they were rare and grabbed attention. So, some people were willing to spend BMW 7 Series luxury money on a Model S for its unique experience and overlook the issues. The Model S outsold the 7 Series back then. Today, the Model S is gone and there are many electric vehicle competitors at every price point. When the Model S ceased to be relevant in its luxury price class, it was deleted.

Lucid is asking premium luxury money for a car that has the problems of a 2015 Tesla. And the marketplace has many alternatives that do not share its issues with table stakes expectations. BMW is selling more 7 Series cars in the US than all of Lucid's sales. Tesla's sales in 2015 dwarf Lucid's sales today. Lucid is positioning the Gravity and Air in the highest tier of the luxury class and is charging luxury class money for them. But Lucid and the Gravity are not performing at that luxury class to justify the price to the pocketbooks of luxury buyers. The Gravity would have sold like gangbusters in 2015, but luxury buyers have higher expectations today. The Gravity is a great car, but it cannot sell at the volume Lucid needs in this luxury price tier until they can solve for more of those "bests" that luxury buyers expect. As Lucid works through its teething pains, it will achieve more of the "bests" that justify the price, but they are not there yet.

From my quick list of "bests" above, these are the areas Lucid needs to improve to have an earned position in its luxury price class. (These would not have been limiters for a luxury BEV in 2015, because the market had different expectations then.)

• Best support - Lucid is among the worst at service and support in the country.
• Best dependability - Lots of trips to the shops and odd behaviors still.
• Best pedigree - Lucid is still building its pedigree, but it has a long way to go before luxury buyers see it the same as brands like BMW, Mercedes-Benz, Audi, and Lexus.
• Best audio system - The Gravity and Air need an ultra premium offering that competes with the top tier systems in this luxury class.
• Best tech package - They still have a few kinks to work out with PaaK, HUD, etc.

 

[The_Don]

BMW is selling more 7 Series cars in the US than all of Lucid's sales.

This is not true. Also, Tesla sales in 2015 dwarfing Lucid's is not relevant. Name one luxury EV sedan outselling the Air. There are none.

Point is, Lucid's sales are actually decent IN SPITE OF their service and software issues. It seems like new executives are increasingly focused on service and software, which gives me hope.

 

[Bdr100]

This is not true. Also, Tesla sales in 2015 dwarfing Lucid's is not relevant. Name one luxury EV sedan outselling the Air. There are none.

Point is, Lucid's sales are actually decent IN SPITE OF their service and software issues. It seems like new executives are increasingly focused on service and software, which gives me hope.

People need to stop bragging about Lucid being top luxury EV sedan sales. So what if they are the big fish in a very, very small pond. Survival will be based on Cosmos and Gravity sales. Cosmos is aimed squarely at the Model Y. If Lucid can take as little as 20% of Model Y sales, it will be a major success.

 

[exxxviii]

This is not true. Also, Tesla sales in 2015 dwarfing Lucid's is not relevant. Name one luxury EV sedan outselling the Air. There are none.

Point is, Lucid's sales are actually decent IN SPITE OF their service and software issues. It seems like new executives are increasingly focused on service and software, which gives me hope.

You are right about #1. I must have glanced at the wrong data. According to Good Car Bad Car, which seems to be a pretty reliable of automotive sales data, BMW sold 10,777 7 Series in the US for the past 12 months. Lucid sold 12,028 total vehicles in that same period. While not as strong, the point still stands that a single luxury car model is almost outselling an entire brand competing in that same market.

I cited the Model S in 2015 for a couple reasons. First, the Model S in 2015 is a representative example of a luxury BEV in the early stages of the market development, and its price and market positioning were similar to a highly regarded luxury vehicle of that time: the BMW 7 Series. I find it interesting that despite its issues and high price, the Model S outsold the 7 Series. Flash forward to today, and all of Lucid, with two cars in a similar luxury price tier as the venerable 7 Series, are so close in sales.

Second, I mentioned that Tesla's Model S sales dwarfed Lucids today, because back in 2015, Tesla was a fledgling BEV automaker who only had that car on the market for about 3 years. Lucid is in a similar position today - a fledgling BEV automaker who has only been selling cars for about 4 years. Today's market is larger than it was 10 years ago, yet Tesla 2015 sales are double what Lucid's are today. Granted the market is a lot more competitive today, but it does not seem like they are on the growth track they need to be.

These two are why I commented that it looks like Lucid is on an out-of-date playbook from the last decade. Back then, Tesla got a lot of grace. Luxury buyers may not be giving automakers the same grace today.

Comparing Air sales is a trick question for a couple reasons. First, the Air is far more mature and stable than the Gravity. It has worked its way through the pain. Second, there are very few similar cars out there to compare with. I could not find i7 sales figures, since they are bundled with all sales. However, until Tesla discontinued the Model S, it was outselling the Air.

I agree that the new executive team is putting focus on their biggest problems. And I am confident they will get there for the Gravity. For my personal decision, it is a question of will it be in time before I pull the trigger on something else.

 

[The_Don]

People need to stop bragging about Lucid being top luxury EV sedan sales. So what if they are the big fish in a very, very small pond. Survival will be based on Cosmos and Gravity sales. Cosmos is aimed squarely at the Model Y. If Lucid can take as little as 20% of Model Y sales, it will be a major success.

The point of bringing up Air sales is that it demonstrates demand for Lucid's products. I have no doubt that if Gravity software wasn't a nightmare at launch it'd be outselling all luxury EV SUVs at this point as well. I'd expect a big jump in Gravity sales next year, the first full year of strong software and presumably improved service.

 

[Bdr100]

Here in Houston, the land of SUVs, the biggest surge in EVs that I am seeing is with Cadillac. Cadillac is doing a very good job of converting existing ICE owners to EVs by giving them an EV as a loaner when they bring in their ICE for service. After a few days driving the EV, they are much more likely to trade in their old ICE for one of their EVs. Cadillac also offers small, medium, large and extra-large EV SUVs. Cadillac, which currently sells a couple of luxury/performance ICE sedans, is not even trying to compete in the EV sedan market (except the absurd, very low volume Celestiq). Yes the Lucid Gravity and potentially Cosmos will be better vehicles spec wise, but these buyers are reluctant to move to a new, unknown company with poor reliability reputation and poor service record.

 

[Miami_Lucid_Man]

Here in Houston, the land of SUVs, the biggest surge in EVs that I am seeing is with Cadillac. Cadillac is doing a very good job of converting existing ICE owners to EVs by giving them an EV as a loaner when they bring in their ICE for service. After a few days driving the EV, they are much more likely to trade in their old ICE for one of their EVs. Cadillac also offers small, medium, large and extra-large EV SUVs. Cadillac, which currently sells a couple of luxury/performance ICE sedans, is not even trying to compete in the EV sedan market (except the absurd, very low volume Celestiq). Yes the Lucid Gravity and potentially Cosmos will be better vehicles spec wise, but these buyers are reluctant to move to a new, unknown company with poor reliability reputation and poor service record.

A ton of Cadillac EVs in my area and, notably, I'm seeing younger people driving them. They are doing very well on those.

 

[exxxviii]

Here in Houston, the land of SUVs, the biggest surge in EVs that I am seeing is with Cadillac.

Ditto, and this totally surprised me. The Lyriq V is another car I am following as a possible next car. I was recently surprised to learn that Cadillac is selling the Lyriq V and Vistiq at volume with little to no discount off MSRP. That is a major home run.

A ton of Cadillac EVs in my area and, notably, I'm seeing younger people driving them. They are doing very well on those.

This is another massive home run. Cadillac used to have the highest age average buyer, which is pretty much a death ring of irrelevance. They are bringing their average age down.

The point of bringing up Air sales is that it demonstrates demand for Lucid's products. I have no doubt that if Gravity software wasn't a nightmare at launch it'd be outselling all luxury EV SUVs at this point as well. I'd expect a big jump in Gravity sales next year, the first full year of strong software and presumably improved service.

We totally agree on this point. I think there is huge demand for Lucid products. And I agree that software, support, and a few other misses in this luxury category are what is holding the Gravity back from much stronger potential performance.

Combining the two thoughts... The Vistiq is selling at about the same pace as the Gravity, yet the Vistiq has a lot of shortcomings compared to the Gravity. And the Escalade IQ, with its insane price, is selling well too (but not as high as the Vistiq). The buyers are out there to be captured. (Cadillac's BEV sales are an amazing recovery story, given how horrific the software was at the Lyriq's launch.)

 

[mfdutra]

I was very interested in the Vistiq, until I realized the steering wheel moves almost 2 revolutions to each side? WTF, Cadillac? No wonder GM cars are boring as hell to drive.

 

[tmichael]

I was very interested in the Vistiq, until I realized the steering wheel moves almost 2 revolutions to each side? WTF, Cadillac? No wonder GM cars are boring as hell to drive.

Hopefully they'll fix that with a Vistiq V-series...

 

[The_Don]

Cadillac still has fairly weak sales across its EV lineup. 1H 2026 numbers below for reference, sorted by price.

Optiq (starts at $51k): ~7,100
Lyriq (starts at $59k): ~7,600
Vistiq (starts at $78k): ~3,900
Escalade IQ (starts at $127k): ~3,200

I know Lucid doesn't break out sales by vehicle, but I'd be surprised if Gravity sales aren't exceeding that of Vistiq/IQ. It might feel like they're more successful because they have a broader lineup.

 

[exxxviii]

Cadillac still has fairly weak sales across its EV lineup. 1H 2026 numbers below for reference, sorted by price.

Optiq (starts at $51k): ~7,100
Lyriq (starts at $59k): ~7,600
Vistiq (starts at $78k): ~3,900
Escalade IQ (starts at $127k): ~3,200

I know Lucid doesn't break out sales by vehicle, but I'd be surprised if Gravity sales aren't exceeding that of Vistiq/IQ. It might feel like they're more successful because they have a broader lineup.

There are several external sites that gather and report sales by model. According to Electric Vehicles, Lucid sold about 3,400 Gravitys in 1H 2026. This reconciles with other sites, like Good Car Bad Car and Cox Automotive. Point being, Gravity sales fall in between Cadillac's two 3-row offerings. A Vistiq optioned like a Gravity is north of $90K and an Escalade IQ optioned like a Gravity is closer to $135K. Once Lucid and Gravity iron out the wrinkles, they should capture a healthy portion of those sales.

Excluding Tesla, Cadillac is the #5 BEV seller overall in 2026. They have two models in the top-10 and the other two in the top-25. Lucid is #13 overall in sales for 2026, with the Gravity at #23 and Air at #34. The Rivian R1S is sitting at #4 overall sales. TBH, Lucid should be gunning to hit the overall top 10 with the Gravity and edge toward R1S sales levels. One of the scary looking things in these data are that Air sales have dropped off a cliff at only 1,766 units, just 34% of all Lucid sales.

 

[TahoeMichael]

Let's see...

A '27 GGT with a price of $116800 had an estimated lease of $1769/month in July, and today the inventory says a lease price of $1502/month. That's more in line with the lease terms they were offering on 2026 GGTs before they started trying to clear out that year's inventory. Still, I expect that if someone waits until September (i.e. me), there may well be slightly more attractive terms available.

 

[Ron_Burgundy]

A '27 GGT with a price of $116800 had an estimated lease of $1769/month in July, and today the inventory says a lease price of $1502/month. That's more in line with the lease terms they were offering on 2026 GGTs before they started trying to clear out that year's inventory. Still, I expect that if someone waits until September (i.e. me), there may well be slightly more attractive terms available.

I’d expect Lucid will have to keep them where there are at a minimum, but ideally lower lease rates and have 0% APR on 2027s or they will have a challenge moving them. Not a stretch to say broad market rates are going up.

It’s an amazing car, I just don’t think there’s enough demand at this price point for a “new” brand versus folks who buy BMW, Mercedes, etc mainly for the name and they want a BEV.

 

[papiDR]

As previously communicated, a fully equipped GGT, priced at $100,000, is strategically positioned for optimal market penetration, and we project robust sales figures, particularly if the Annual Percentage Rate (APR) remains at 0% or 1.99%.

 

[zoomzoom]

I have a close friend with a fully loaded Vistiq. We've compared side by side with my fully featured Gravity GT on a recent camping trip. The Vistiq loses HANDILY in every single category other than price. Driving, comfort, luxury, passenger space, and OMG storage. They were so far apart that they aren't even comparable vehicles.

We are both family of 4 with same age kids. On our camping trip I watched as he crammed every square inch of his car, and a Thule roof box, absolutely full of stuff. I, on the other hand, long rid myself of my roof box and didn't even have to put a grocery bag in the 2nd row with the kids and could still see out of my rear view mirror. It was laughable the difference in practicality.

The amount of passenger and cargo space in the Gravity compared to other competitors, even much longer vehicles, is truly astounding. The interior packaging is just SO much more efficient. My buddy is high up with GM and had to quietly acknowledge that the Gravity smokes every car they offer.

Before buying I did extensive online and in person comparison with most of the cars mentioned in this thread. There is simply no debate for anyone seeking the best. The Gravity is the very clear stand out King of Electric SUVs. It drives and handles like a Ferrari coupe, is unbelievably smooth and composed for passengers, comfortable for 6 adults for long rides, has excellent range and charging, and has class leading storage. It is the ultimate high performance luxury practical family vehicle. If that's not worth $10k more than the distant next best thing then I don't know what to say.

Truly - the car is phenomenal. I didn't have any significant issues with prior gen software but now with 3.6 I can comfortably recommend it to anybody without need for qualifiers.

 

[illopp00]

I have a close friend with a fully loaded Vistiq. We've compared side by side with my fully featured Gravity GT on a recent camping trip. The Vistiq loses HANDILY in every single category other than price. Driving, comfort, luxury, passenger space, and OMG storage. They were so far apart that they aren't even comparable vehicles.

We are both family of 4 with same age kids. On our camping trip I watched as he crammed every square inch of his car, and a Thule roof box, absolutely full of stuff. I, on the other hand, long rid myself of my roof box and didn't even have to put a grocery bag in the 2nd row with the kids and could still see out of my rear view mirror. It was laughable the difference in practicality.

The amount of passenger and cargo space in the Gravity compared to other competitors, even much longer vehicles, is truly astounding. The interior packaging is just SO much more efficient. My buddy is high up with GM and had to quietly acknowledge that the Gravity smokes every car they offer.

Before buying I did extensive online and in person comparison with most of the cars mentioned in this thread. There is simply no debate for anyone seeking the best. The Gravity is the very clear stand out King of Electric SUVs. It drives and handles like a Ferrari coupe, is unbelievably smooth and composed for passengers, comfortable for 6 adults for long rides, has excellent range and charging, and has class leading storage. It is the ultimate high performance luxury practical family vehicle. If that's not worth $10k more than the distant next best thing then I don't know what to say.

Truly - the car is phenomenal. I didn't have any significant issues with prior gen software but now with 3.6 I can comfortably recommend it to anybody without need for qualifiers.

That was the conclusion my family of 4 came to with our competitive test drives. Now there was some heartburn over the Gravity leasing at 2x the Ioniq 9, but the Vistiq in equivalent trim was almost as much as a Touring loaded as well...Our experience with sales and services has also been top notch, so none of the legacy brands could hold that over. In different regions where there isn't much availability or inconsistency, I can see that requiring a $10-15K discount....

 

[TahoeMichael]

... and a Thule roof box, absolutely full of stuff. ...

Having no need of a roof mounted cargo box is a big part of the Gravity's appeal for me. I've always found them inconvenient to access, even if they store enough stuff to meet my needs. And with an EV, I'm happy to eliminate any potential range hit from the increased drag they create.

 

[zoomzoom]

That was the conclusion my family of 4 came to with our competitive test drives. Now there was some heartburn over the Gravity leasing at 2x the Ioniq 9, but the Vistiq in equivalent trim was almost as much as a Touring loaded as well...Our experience with sales and services has also been top notch, so none of the legacy brands could hold that over. In different regions where there isn't much availability or inconsistency, I can see that requiring a $10-15K discount....

Yes Gravity is obviously an expensive vehicle. The Ioniq 9 is not in the luxury high performance tier. They are different markets. Nice things cost extra. I'm not sure too many serious prospective Gravity GT buyers even look at the Ioniq.
I expect there are mid market buyers who may stretch the budget and look to the touring which is still an incredible vehicle.

Having no need of a roof mounted cargo box is a big part of the Gravity's appeal for me. I've always found them inconvenient to access, even if they store enough stuff to meet my needs. And with an EV, I'm happy to eliminate any potential range hit from the increased drag they create.

Absolutely. I'm tall and young so can manage mounting and loading a roof box independently reasonably well but it's still a pain in the ass for me. Honestly I don't know how average height or older people even manage it.

It is huge improvement in quality of life to get rid of it.