Lease Charges for Damage

[BerkeleyLeaser]

Just received my final invoice from my "friends" at LFS (attached (anonymized)). On redelivery one scratch (less than credit card size), one tire damaged (not requiring replacement according to my local tire shop) and one wheel with minor curb rash were noted by Lucid Millbrae.

The bill is $3,160.

In a bid to see if any other damage was discovered at any subsequent inspection I accessed autovinlive as suggested. However, no report is available! (also attached).

CAVEAT LESSEE!!

 

[Batteryman]

Just received my final invoice from my "friends" at LFS (attached (anonymized)). On redelivery one scratch (less than credit card size), one tire damaged (not requiring replacement according to my local tire shop) and one wheel with minor curb rash were noted by Lucid Millbrae.

The bill is $3,160.

In a bid to see if any other damage was discovered at any subsequent inspection I accessed autovinlive as suggested. However, no report is available! (also attached).

CAVEAT LESSEE!!

Perfectly reasonable…you have a scratch, damaged wheel and tire. Why should Lucid cover the damage?

If you went to buy a used car, and it had these issues, wouldn’t you negotiate a lower price?

 

[californiaboy935]

Perfectly reasonable…you have a scratch, damaged wheel and tire. Why should Lucid cover the damage?

If you went to buy a used car, and it had these issues, wouldn’t you negotiate a lower price?

Yeah and less than credit card size… that’s pretty big and something they would need to send to a body shop to have fixed.

The rim would also need replaced, so min 1k in costs for that. If it’s not requiring replacement it doesn’t mean it’s sale able to the next vehicle owner. Maybe you’re fine with a bubbled tires but someone else who buys this car used from Lucid won’t be. So yes I agree with you having to pay for a tire that’s facially damaged.

I’m not sure what the scratch looks like, could you post it because I think any more than a dime or quarter sized they say in the lease documents you’ll have to pay to get fixed.

Which with all of these things noted your post maligning lucid kinda does not make any sense. Sucks to get a bill at the end of a lease, but don’t scratch, curb or hit a pothole… it’s not Lucid’s fault the vehicle wasn’t in a good condition when returned.

 

[californiaboy935]

Just received my final invoice from my "friends" at LFS (attached (anonymized)). On redelivery one scratch (less than credit card size), one tire damaged (not requiring replacement according to my local tire shop) and one wheel with minor curb rash were noted by Lucid Millbrae.

The bill is $3,160.

In a bid to see if any other damage was discovered at any subsequent inspection I accessed autovinlive as suggested. However, no report is available! (also attached).

CAVEAT LESSEE!!

A friend of mine sent me his Tesla lease end excess wear charge for a base model 3 a +/-36,000 vehicle compared to a +/-70,000 vehicle. And Lucid’s prices seem pretty comparable and fair for the repairs as you describe them.

My rough estimate not knowing anything about your trim level or paint color:

Lucid scratch: $1,973 (note a scuff not scratch is $594 on a Tesla model 3 base…) (see lucid repair cost thread, but if your removing part of the fascia or needing to recalibrate the sensors it’s going to add to this cost so it seems reasonable)

Thread 'What to Expect: Repair and Labor Costs After Warranty'

Apr 28, 2025

As more Lucid vehicles move out of their factory warranty period, owners are starting to face the realities of repair and maintenance costs without coverage. I've found service to be helpful and consistent throughout my ownership.

This new thread is meant to share information, real-world experiences, and estimates related to out-of-warranty repairs — including labor rates, parts pricing, and how Lucid’s service model compares to traditional automakers. Whether you’re nearing the end of your warranty or just planning ahead, feel free to contribute your experiences and ask questions here...

• californiaboy935
• Replies: 16
• Forum: Service / Warranty / Recalls

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Lucid tire damage: $ 4,750/4 : $1,187.5/2 ( for simple math) : $593.75

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Lucid curb rash: $593.75 (1/2 wheel and tire package)

 

[BerkeleyLeaser]

Perfectly reasonable…you have a scratch, damaged wheel and tire. Why should Lucid cover the damage?

If you went to buy a used car, and it had these issues, wouldn’t you negotiate a lower price?

With respect, I am not required to redeliver an "as new" car. I am not selling the car back to lucid, I am concluding the period where I paid them (handsomely, as it was an early lease) to use the car. Therefore, regular wear and tear is allowed. I mention credit card size (for the scratch) because the industry standard is that less than cc size is regular wear and tear.

Prospective lessees should be aware that Lucid is viewing such things as curb rash as excess wear and tear. That may be a red flag to some. But to some extent, I'm guessing as to what I'm being billed for, as no photos are available on autovin (despite LFS saying they are). Another red flag.

 

[fisheral]

This is my fear. My wheel finish is peeling off. I've addressed it with Lucid but they disclaim responsibility.

 

[BerkeleyLeaser]

A friend of mine sent me his Tesla lease end excess wear charge for a base model 3 a +/-36,000 vehicle compared to a +/-70,000 vehicle. And Lucid’s prices seem pretty comparable and fair for the repairs as you describe them.

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My rough estimate not knowing anything about your trim level or paint color:

Lucid scratch: $1,973 (note a scuff not scratch is $594 on a Tesla model 3 base…) (see lucid repair cost thread, but if your removing part of the fascia or needing to recalibrate the sensors it’s going to add to this cost so it seems reasonable)

Thread 'What to Expect: Repair and Labor Costs After Warranty'

Apr 28, 2025

As more Lucid vehicles move out of their factory warranty period, owners are starting to face the realities of repair and maintenance costs without coverage. I've found service to be helpful and consistent throughout my ownership.

This new thread is meant to share information, real-world experiences, and estimates related to out-of-warranty repairs — including labor rates, parts pricing, and how Lucid’s service model compares to traditional automakers. Whether you’re nearing the end of your warranty or just planning ahead, feel free to contribute your experiences and ask questions here...

• californiaboy935
• Replies: 16
• Forum: Service / Warranty / Recalls

• 

Lucid tire damage: $ 4,750/4 : $1,187.5/2 ( for simple math) : $593.75

19" Aero Range Stealth All Season Wheel & Tire Package

Lucid Motors official store for Lucid Motors and Lucid Air t-shirts, jackets, caps, and drinkware. Browse our Lucid Living accessories and merchandise collection.

store.lucidmotors.com

Lucid curb rash: $593.75 (1/2 wheel and tire package)

So, what you're saying is that Lucid are taking a similar approach to Tesla on lease returns. I'll just leave that out there.

 

[newlucidguy]

do you have your own pics that you can share? body work is expensive and that's the majority of the cost. Here's my excess wear clause from Dec '24 (US lease).

EXCESS WEAR. You are responsible for repairing all damage and wear that is beyond the minor wear reasonably expected to result from ordinary and everyday use where the Vehicle is used in accordance with Subsection A and maintained in accordance with Subsection B (“Excess Wear”) and you agree to pay our estimated cost of excess wear (or actual cost if required by law).
Excess wear includes: (a) glass that is damaged, tinted or engraved; (b) a damaged or corroded body, trim, frame, cross-member, or suspension; (c) damaged exterior paint or parts, including dents, scratches and gouges; (d) torn, damaged, burned or stained interior upholstery and parts; (e) missing equipment or parts or replacement equipment or parts not approved by the OEM; (f) tires with less than 1/8 inch of tread left at the shallowest point, not part of a set of four, or not approved for use on the Vehicle (such as a snow tire); (g) a damaged or worn brake that does not meet the government safety standards; (h) inoperative electrical or mechanical parts, including batteries and lights; and (i) any damage due to failure to follow the maintenance described in Subsection B or recalls, whether or not such damage is discovered during the inspections at the end of the Scheduled Lease Term. Any odometer tampering is excessive wear for which you agree, due to the difficulty in establishing the extent of loss, to pay the greater of 15% of the Residual Value and our estimate of the reduction in Vehicle value due to tampering. RIGHT TO AN EXCESS WEAR APPRAISAL: THE LESSEE MAY OBTAIN AT THE END OF THE LEASE TERM, AT THE LESSEE'S EXPENSE, A PROFESSIONAL APPRAISAL OF THE AMOUNT REQUIRED TO REPAIR OR REPLACE PARTS OR THE AMOUNT BY WHICH THE EXCESSIVE WEAR AND DAMAGE REDUCES THE VALUE OF THE VEHICLE. THIS PROFESSIONAL APPRAISAL SHALL BE PERFORMED BY AN INDEPENDENT THIRD PARTY AGREED TO BY THE LESSEE AND THE LESSOR, WHICH APPRAISAL SHALL BE FINAL AND BINDING ON THE PARTIES.

 

[hmp10]

. . . Lucid is viewing such things as curb rash as excess wear and tear.

Curb rash is not "wear and tear", whether excess or not. It is damage. That is why they are assessing you for it.

 

[HC_79]

I mention credit card size (for the scratch) because the industry standard is that less than cc size is regular wear and tear.

Industry standard is not cc size, it's dime or quarter size

I've returned many leased cars with minor curb rash and minor dents (people hitting door on car etc.) and never received a bill but without pics of the car it's hard to determine if Lucid is being unreasonable or not. I also think dealers are more forgiving if you upgrade to another vehicle vs just walking away.

 

[kort6776]

I would question the sales tax charges. sales taxes for what?

 

[Celeras]

Curb rash is not "wear and tear", whether excess or not. It is damage. That is why they are assessing you for it.

I've returned many leased cars with minor curb rash and minor dents (people hitting door on car etc.) and never received a bill but without pics of the car it's hard to determine if Lucid is being unreasonable or not. I also think dealers are more forgiving if you upgrade to another vehicle vs just walking away.

Nah, I will second @HC_79 here. Curb rash has never once been assessed as anything, on any vehicle I have owned in my entire life. That is crazy talk.

Can't make a judgement on the other stuff without seeing pictures though. And it might be a situation where something like curb rash is added on (wrongly IMO) solely because they decided to do an assessment for something else.

 

[fisheral]

Nah, I will second @HC_79 here. Curb rash has never once been assessed as anything, on any vehicle I have owned in my entire life. That is crazy talk.

Can't make a judgement on the other stuff without seeing pictures though. And it might be a situation where something like curb rash is added on (wrongly IMO) solely because they decided to do an assessment for something else.

Yeah, when I've turned in my leases to VW and Mazda, they didn't bat an eye at small scratches and curb rash.

 

[BerkeleyLeaser]

BY POPULAR DEMAND! Here are the "piccies"...

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Love to get your views, chaps!

 

[fisheral]

BY POPULAR DEMAND! Here are the "piccies"...

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Love to get your views, chaps!

Uhhh, I turned in all my previous leases with worse than that. No questions asked. Now I'm extremely concerned.

 

[Bobby]

BY POPULAR DEMAND! Here are the "piccies"...

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Love to get your views, chaps!

That's a big scratch, an unsafe tire and a lot of curb rash all the way around the lip. Why don't you go ahead and have the wheel refinished before turning it in? Probably save you money.
Think of it this way: if you were buying that car used from another owner, would you call those items out and negotiate a reduced price based on them? I would.

 

[mnat]

Industry standard is not cc size, it's dime or quarter size

I've returned many leased cars with minor curb rash and minor dents (people hitting door on car etc.) and never received a bill but without pics of the car it's hard to determine if Lucid is being unreasonable or not. I also think dealers are more forgiving if you upgrade to another vehicle vs just walking away.

For Mercedes, their standard is anything less than a credit card is no charge. I just turned in my Mercedes and had no excess charges.

 

[BerkeleyLeaser]

That's a big scratch, an unsafe tire and a lot of curb rash all the way around the lip. Why don't you go ahead and have the wheel refinished before turning it in? Probably save you money.
Think of it this way: if you were buying that car used from another owner, would you call those items out and negotiate a reduced price based on them? I would.

So, with all due respect to one of our esteemed moderators(!), I disagree that the tire is unsafe. I did drive this car, and I drove my family about in it. As soon as that tire damage occurred (soon after I got the car) I went to the tire shop to get it replaced. Bear in mind the tire shop has an economic incentive to say the tire is dangerous even if it isn't. But they stated that sidewall damage is not dangerous unless the metal belts can be seen, which clearly they cannot. In support of the tire shop's contention, I drove on that tire without any further deterioration or other issues for 20 months.

Also, as I mentioned to Mr. Batteryman, I am not required to redeliver an "as new" car. I am not selling the car back to lucid, I am concluding the period where I paid them handsomely to use the car. Therefore, regular wear and tear is allowed. "Give me back a car I can immediately sell" is not the appropriate standard when assessing the condition of a lease return.

 

[Steveinarizona]

I've returned many leased cars with minor curb rash and minor dents (people hitting door on car etc.) and never received a bill but without pics of the car it's hard to determine if Lucid is being unreasonable or not. I also think dealers are more forgiving if you upgrade to another vehicle vs just walking away.

Excellent point. I have seen many instances of luxury car makers such as BMW or Mercedes Benz basically ignoring this kind of stuff if the lessee is returning the vehicle for another vehicle.

 

[borski]

This is my fear. My wheel finish is peeling off. I've addressed it with Lucid but they disclaim responsibility.

Can you take a pic and start a new thread? That sounds like a warranty issue, unless it's from damage.