I’m so confused about the different self driving in lucids.

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hi all,
24 air lessee here. So i cheaped out and got dd premium way back when as i couldn’t see paying for dd pro at the time. My lease is up in about a year. I would want the lucid that gets me closest to point to point hands free.
Is the best the new airs can expect something like gm’s supercruise? What about the gravity? Or would this be a cosmos thingee? By the way except for some very minor annoyances (carplay and sirius connectivity, frunk alignment) my car has been bulletproof and the best car i’ve ever owned.
 
Lucid's DD Pro gets you hands-free highway driving. It isn't currently capable of point-to-point. Only Tesla does that for now.
 
hi all,
24 air lessee here. So i cheaped out and got dd premium way back when as i couldn’t see paying for dd pro at the time. My lease is up in about a year. I would want the lucid that gets me closest to point to point hands free.
Is the best the new airs can expect something like gm’s supercruise? What about the gravity? Or would this be a cosmos thingee? By the way except for some very minor annoyances (carplay and sirius connectivity, frunk alignment) my car has been bulletproof and the best car i’ve ever owned.
This is what I think:

Air has the oldest hardware for ADAS. Currently, it can do hands-free in designated roads (highways for now). I imagine eventually that could happen in city streets as well. Not sure if it will do point-to-point navigation L2++ (It's a no, according to the release).


Gravity has newer hardware, but it's new and trying to catch up with the Air's capability. Eventually, it will catch up with the Air and will surpass it by doing point-to-point navigation L2++.

Cosmos will have the promising hardware capable of beyond L2++ like L3, L4...

Personally, I would caution that Hardware can become obsolete. Today's design might not be workable for L3, L4 in the future.

When dealing with technology, I would buy what works right now and not pay for promises and hopes.
 
...Gravity has newer hardware, but it's new and trying to catch up with the Air's capability. Eventually, it will catch up with the Air and will surpass it by doing point-to-point navigation L2++....

...When dealing with technology, I would buy what works right now and not pay for promises and hopes.
Has Lucid ever mentioned point-to-point for Gravity? I have not heard of this.
I definitely agree to buy only what the car does now, rather than counting on greater capabilities being delivered by OTA later on.
 
Has Lucid ever mentioned point-to-point for Gravity? I have not heard of this.
I definitely agree to buy only what the car does now, rather than counting on greater capabilities being delivered by OTA later on.

The investor day presentation had a slide (#33) showing the Gravity getting hands free highway and city driving sometime in both 2026 and 2027 so who knows. Hands free city driving is not on the Air's timeline, and with the limited compute in the car, I doubt it ever will be in Airs unless a 2nd gen comes out.

Slide 105 says L3 and L4 are coming in 2028 and 2029 respectively. Lucid does not say what models these features are coming to but I have a hard time seeing the Air getting it if Lucid says hands free city driving isn't coming to it. Honestly, with current Tesla HW having about the same compute as the Gravity and not seemingly able to do unmonitored ADAS in current Model 3/Ys, I'm not sure that publicly sold Gravitys will ever get to L3 or L4. The Nuro testing vehicles need all that extra stuff mounted on the roof to enable it.
 
Has Lucid ever mentioned point-to-point for Gravity? I have not heard of this..
Yes. No question about it. It's crystal clear. The quote is from the link:

"The new roadmap, turbocharged by NVIDIA DRIVE AV, begins with eyes-on, point-to-point driving (L2++) for Lucid Gravity"
 
I tend to agree with that approach. Promised future capabilities are nice to hear about, but they're not always delivered on the original timeline—or at all.

Do you think Lucid's current hardware is genuinely capable of supporting higher levels of autonomy later on, or is there a good chance they'll need another major hardware refresh before L3/L4 becomes practical?
I'd expect another hardware refresh is likely. Even assuming Lucid is able to keep to their timeline for L3 in 2028, that will be initially developed for newer hardware than the Gravity contains, and supporting currently sold Gravities would require a substantial engineering investment to downscale the driving software, if it's even technically possible.

I think it's also instructive to look at what Waymo has done with their 6th gen driving platform: while they've very slightly decreased the sensor count, they've substantially increased the individual sensor quality. They've made the decision that continuing to improve sensors is more important than saving on sensor costs. I don't think they've disclosed exactly how their compute capacity is changing, but given the growth in model size across the industry, it's a good bet that the 6th gen Waymo has more computing capacity as well.
 
I tend to agree with that approach. Promised future capabilities are nice to hear about, but they're not always delivered on the original timeline—or at all.

Do you think Lucid's current hardware is genuinely capable of supporting higher levels of autonomy later on, or is there a good chance they'll need another major hardware refresh before L3/L4 becomes practical?
I think Lucid's safety standard is higher than others but otherwise, it could achieve point-to-point driving (Tesla FSD) with the oldest hardware line (Air).

The Lucid's release does not mention the Air for point-to-point driving. Gravity and Cosmo are covered.

L3 is conditional autonomy. The company can set what conditions that would qualify as "autonomy."

If the hardware is not powerful enough, the company can create stricter conditions: daylight only (not darker ambiance), slow speed (not practical for highways but good in stop and go traffic), dry roads (no wetness allowed), front leading car...

L3 has been achieved by some companies but they now shift their focus back to L2 instead due to the non-practicality of L3.

So, in theory, even an Air can be L3 depending on how much you want it to be so impractical on highways.

Lucid does plan L3 and personal-owned L4 (Waymo, Neuro but personally owned by you).

However, as @TahoeMichael said, even Waymo has to repeatedly change its hardware, so I am very suspicious whether my current hardware will be able to do for the future plan.

For practical purpose, when I designed my car, I would click on the "i" icon to see what the current hardware capabilities are.

Not too long ago, although the Gravity was sold as Autolane change but it could not until subsequent firmware updates.

Thus. I think what listed for that "i" icon is trustworthy even if the feature (Gravity hands-free) is not available at the time.

For practical expection, I would think the Air will get better and might get Autosteer in the city streets. I don't expect point-to-point driving until Lucid woud announce its plan.

I would think Gravity and Cosmo will eventually get point-to-point driving and highway L3.

For L4, I expect multiple hardware generations before it could be achieved. The timeline for L4 industry is still very long because Waymo can still make basic rookie mistakes that a child could solve.

Thus, I would hope the industry would apply L4 technology for L2 driving. The car would drive itself most of the time until it can't solve a simple scenario and the driver is already to take over (the old days of Waymo with safety driver).
 
Agree 100% that purchasing decisions should NOT be made on promises of future features. Lucid (and other manufacturers, I assume) have been trying to sell promises instead of what the car can do for years already. As someone said, sometimes they come through. Sometimes they don't. But, even if they do come out, it's usually not on the originally promoted timeline. So, I personally won't buy another car based on what it might or might not do at some unspecified point in the future. YMMV
 
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