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Effect of Tire/Wheel Choice on Gravity Range

Is there a noticeable handling advantage for the 22/23"? I'm still deciding when it comes time to pull the trigger (waiting on lease end) which tires I want to go with. I'm also considering 20/21 so would have the same question there, but since you have 2 nearly identical cars with the mid and large wheels, I'd be curious about your handling assessment. I'm guessing the summer rubber may have more impact than the actual wheel size, though - and that can be adjusted when replacing the tires...
 
Does anyone know the range on the Dream Edition with 7 seats (I think they all have 7 seats) with the different tire sizes? I just purchased a used one (which I haven't received yet) and it has the 23" wheels. While they look nice, I'd rather have the smoother ride (with I assume much better range) 21's. What are the actual range estimates? I'm pretty sure the 23's is 370 miles.
 
flarbear said:
Is there a noticeable handling advantage for the 22/23"? I'm still deciding when it comes time to pull the trigger (waiting on lease end) which tires I want to go with. I'm also considering 20/21 so would have the same question there, but since you have 2 nearly identical cars with the mid and large wheels, I'd be curious about your handling assessment. I'm guessing the summer rubber may have more impact than the actual wheel size, though - and that can be adjusted when replacing the tires...
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Nothing that I've yet noticed on the straight, flat roads we drive in Florida and on the interstate road trips we've taken so far out of state. My guess is there would be a difference on some of the roads in the Blue Ridge we're going to be traveling in late May.

My primary interest in the largest wheels was to get the new Pirelli PZ5s for their wet handling and braking performance, something especially relevant on Florida roads. I love the Continental DW series for this reason and kept an eye out to see if they were coming out with the sizes for the mid-size Gravity wheels. But they had not by the time I had to lock in the wheel choice for the later Gravity.
 
pr4424 said:
Does anyone know the range on the Dream Edition with 7 seats (I think they all have 7 seats) with the different tire sizes? I just purchased a used one (which I haven't received yet) and it has the 23" wheels. While they look nice, I'd rather have the smoother ride (with I assume much better range) 21's. What are the actual range estimates? I'm pretty sure the 23's is 370 miles.
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The 7-seater GDE with 20/21 is rated at 420 miles .
 
hmp10 said:
My primary interest in the largest wheels was to get the new Pirelli PZ5s for their wet handling and braking performance, something especially relevant on Florida roads. I love the Continental DW series for this reason and kept an eye out to see if they were coming out with the sizes for the mid-size Gravity wheels. But they had not by the time I had to lock in the wheel choice for the later Gravity.
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The PZ4 are available for the mid sized wheels. I have them on my Polestar 3 and they handle really well (judging by the surprised look of the BMW M3 that tried to keep up with me on the mountain roads).
 
flarbear said:
The PZ4 are available for the mid sized wheels. I have them on my Polestar 3 and they handle really well (judging by the surprised look of the BMW M3 that tried to keep up with me on the mountain roads).
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We've had PZ4's on our Air since 2021, and they are great tires. However, they have been the LM1 and LM2 versions built to Lucid specs. (Each car manufacturer can specify their particular choices for certain components such as tread compound, sidewall stiffness, etc., from a menu that the tire manufacturer provides.)

Likewise with the Gravity, which have Lucid-specific LM1 versions of the Hankooks, Michelins, and Pirellis from the factory. There is an LM1 version of the PZ5 on the 22/23" wheels but no LM1 version of the PZ4 for the 21/22" wheels.

The PZ4s that fit the Gravity mid-size wheels are specific to the Land Rover (front), and to Jaguar and Aston Martin (rear). The Gravity weighs hundreds of pounds more than the Land Rover and over a thousand pounds more than anything from Jaguar and Aston Martin. It's probably a marginal factor, but I wonder whether the Gravity's weight would mean Lucid would have made different choices for things such as sidewall stiffness than did the British manufacturers?

For a car as heavy and as torquey as a Gravity, I would prefer to say with a Lucid-specific tire. But, then again, I admit to obsessing about tire choices excessively.
 
hmp10 said:
The PZ4s that fit the Gravity mid-size wheels are specific to the Land Rover (front), and to Jaguar and Aston Martin (rear). The Gravity weighs hundreds of pounds more than the Land Rover and over a thousand pounds more than anything from Jaguar and Aston Martin. It's probably a marginal factor, but I wonder whether the Gravity's weight would mean Lucid would have made different choices for things such as sidewall stiffness than did the British manufacturers?
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Maybe, but do the tire load ratings tell the story there?
 
flarbear said:
Maybe, but do the tire load ratings tell the story there?
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I don't think it's a safety issue. I suspect it's more about handling response under lateral loads . . . and probably pretty minor, at that.
 
tmichael said:
A perfect definition of a "car guy"!
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I realize that mixing a healthy dollop of OCD with too much poring over automotive minutiae doesn't yield much real fruit. But a lot of my pleasure (and frustration) in driving derives from my subjective connections with the car.

Years ago I saw a cartoon in a car magazine where a guy was waxing his car with sweat dripping off his brow while explaining to a friend that it added 20 horsepower. I totally got his point.

I'm the same way about tires (as well as car washing). I pore for hours on end over TireRack charts and graphs and tire review videos seeking every conceivable edge of performance for a type of driving I actually never do and am not even capable of doing. Yet the thought that I have the tires below me for the job is somehow deeply satisfying . . . though I know it to be utterly pointless. 🥴
 
hmp10 said:
I'm the same way about tires (as well as car washing). I pore for hours on end over TireRack charts and graphs and tire review videos seeking every conceivable edge of performance for a type of driving I actually never do and am not even capable of doing. Yet the thought that I have the tires below me for the job is somehow deeply satisfying . . . though I know it to be utterly pointless. 🥴
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Don't forget to take into account that different sizes of the tires may perform differently. Thus, there will never be test results that provide anything better than a rule of thumb for performance expectations. :(
 
I was wondering if there is an all-season tire that fits the 22/23 size tires instead of the summer one, does anyone have experienced that yet?
 
antounsalib said:
I was wondering if there is an all-season tire that fits the 22/23 size tires instead of the summer one, does anyone have experienced that yet?
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I don't have any experience with it (I'd like to do the same thing) but the only tires TireRack shows are these: Pirelli Scorpion Zero All Season for $3,535 a set (and they are out of stock of the rear tires.
 
pr4424 said:
I don't have any experience with it (I'd like to do the same thing) but the only tires TireRack shows are these: Pirelli Scorpion Zero All Season for $3,535 a set (and they are out of stock of the rear tires.
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The only configuration that has all packages that I like, does come with the 22/23 (which is not what I hoped for), would you tell me a little more about your experience with these tires and how long you had them? I live in Houston, TX so fairly smooth surface and heat, but recent years we had back-to-back heavy winters with icy roads.
 
antounsalib said:
The only configuration that has all packages that I like, does come with the 22/23 (which is not what I hoped for), would you tell me a little more about your experience with these tires and how long you had them? I live in Houston, TX so fairly smooth surface and heat, but recent years we had back-to-back heavy winters with icy roads.
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I don't have them, I am in the same boat as you so I searched on tirerack.
 
pr4424 said:
I don't have any experience with it (I'd like to do the same thing) but the only tires TireRack shows are these: Pirelli Scorpion Zero All Season for $3,535 a set (and they are out of stock of the rear tires.
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FWIW we have Pirelli Scorpion Zero All Season tires on our Volvo EV and like them.
 
I have not seen any A/S or winter options for the 22/23's yet

There are other threads on here that discuss this
 
hwy17er said:
I have not seen any A/S or winter options for the 22/23's yet

There are other threads on here that discuss this
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They are on TireRack
 

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hmp10 said:
I suspect Pirelli had to pull that rear tire from the market for safety reasons: people were dropping dead when they saw the price.
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I am told you are someone who likes to drive in the Sprint mode.

When am I going to see your vehicle on 295/315 tire? Match handling and braking to speed.

Drive a 7 seat Porsche that was never made…
 
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