Drove a Kia EV9

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I had occasion to drive a Kia EV9 on Saturday and came away impressed.

Good: Interior space is pretty huge. Ride quality and NVH very good indeed. Handling surprisingly tight for a big SUV, although (like in the Air) you do feel the weight.

Less good: Controls are overly complex. Too many buttons on the steering wheel. Some of the plastics and switches felt a little cheap. But these are pretty minor complaints.

My main takeaway, though: They clearly had some "external inspiration" for the dash. Look at the central air vents, HVAC switches, volume roller and just the general layout and design. Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery?


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Kia/Hyundai make some pretty compelling vehicles. I owned a Telluride for 2 years and sold it during the pandemic for more than I paid for it. If they could solve their dealer and service departments, they would be doing even better. I had some pretty bad (and slimy) experiences with sales and service.
 
Central air vents have been there since MY2022 Kia EV6 I think? But yeah the rollers are new with EV9 and carried to 2025 EV6
 
Kia/Hyundai make some pretty compelling vehicles. I owned a Telluride for 2 years and sold it during the pandemic for more than I paid for it. If they could solve their dealer and service departments, they would be doing even better. I had some pretty bad (and slimy) experiences with sales and service.
That's very dealership dependent. My "other" car, when I'm not driving the Lucid is an older Hyundai Elantra. The dealership near me has been absolutely wonderful for service. Other than having Lucid send Frank to my house which you can't really beat, it's been the best of any car I've ever owned.
 
That's very dealership dependent. My "other" car, when I'm not driving the Lucid is an older Hyundai Elantra. The dealership near me has been absolutely wonderful for service. Other than having Lucid send Frank to my house which you can't really beat, it's been the best of any car I've ever owned.
I wouldn't go that far on mine but it has been excellent.
 
As much as I love the look of the curved screens on the Air, I get a bit jealous every time I see the amount of real estate the nav/Carplay/AA gets on these rectangular screens
 
Hyundai/Kia/Gensesis for sure overtook all the Japanese automakers worldwide except Toyota. Toyota being so late to the EV party gave a windfall to them. Having owned Toyota/Lexis from 1986 to 2024, I too picked up a Hyundai for my wife.
 
I had occasion to drive a Kia EV9 on Saturday and came away impressed.

Good: Interior space is pretty huge. Ride quality and NVH very good indeed. Handling surprisingly tight for a big SUV, although (like in the Air) you do feel the weight.

Less good: Controls are overly complex. Too many buttons on the steering wheel. Some of the plastics and switches felt a little cheap. But these are pretty minor complaints.

My main takeaway, though: They clearly had some "external inspiration" for the dash. Look at the central air vents, HVAC switches, volume roller and just the general layout and design. Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery?


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The EV9 has gotten rave reviews since its intro. I have not driven an EV9, but I drove an EV5 before and was suitably impressed.

I think the top trim of the EV9 is around $74k. Lower trims range down to a bit over $54k. As competition heats up, I'd expect this price range will come down, perhaps significantly (say by -$10k).

Inasmuch as the EV9 might not carry the "swagger" of Gravity, it is a serious contender. For 7 passenger EV SUVs, Rivian has a pretty good hold on the "Adventure" crowd. In my opinion, Gravity is more the "Urban" SUV. Gravity might compete well with MB/BMW. But, if Gravity (and its subsequent derivatives) were to achieve volume, it has to get well into the $55k range. I know that's their plan RE: mid-size. But the mid-size $-bracket is even lower than the $40k. Challenge is to get there fast enough and in volume to be relevant.

Kia/Hyundai, Rivian, Lexus,/Toyota are all clamoring for the same (economic) space and already shipping products and derivatives. These are serious players with global presence. Perhaps Lucid has advantages RE: efficiency/space, but it won't be a cake-walk for Lucid to get an economically sustainable toe-hold in this space.
 
My wife and I are cross shopping the EV9 and the Lucid Air Pure. I have driven both two times in the same week. I drive a Polestar 2 right now that will be replaced by one of these. I love the exterior look of the EV9 probably even more than the Lucid. The space is amazing and the comfort of the seats is great, especially the head rests. The artificial noise made for pedestrians in the EV9 is really loud, even in the cabin, which makes no sense to me. This can be disabled with a fuse, though, according to the forums. The stereo on the Wind trim is terrible, though. I know there is a Meridian system in the higher level trim, but we have a large dog that rides in the second row and any trim above Wind we lose the bench seat. I was so angry when Ieft the second test drive of the EV9 because of the stereo. I like so much about that vehicle but the stereo might be the dealbreaker. I understand it doesn't have the range of the Lucid, driving dynamics or efficiency being a large vehicle, but it has a lot going for it and like the Lucid, it leases really well now.

The Lucid Air Pure would do everything my Polestar 2 does now, and does it so much better. I give up my ventilated leather on the Polestar 2 to get a cheaper lease on the Pure. I don't think I need the ventilated seats without the glass roof. I like the sporty ride of the Polestar 2, but my wife finds it uncomfortable on longer drives and lousy streets in Chicago. The Pure has more interior space and 2x the cargo space and almost double the range and is very comfortable. It is also so efficient that going on vacation way north in WI is possible because we can add so much range even over a 100v outlet.

After my second drive of the EV9 I was left so discouraged I drove the Pure the second time right after. I left the Pure test drive even more impressed than the first drive. For me the Pure seems like a more grown up version of the Polestar. Great fit and finish, driving dynamics and way more space. It's larger than I want for a city car, but highway comfort and range is more important. I haven't pulled the trigger on anything yet, but the Lucid Pure seems like a great upgrade and the EV9 a reasonable compromise.
 
My wife and I are cross shopping the EV9 and the Lucid Air Pure. I have driven both two times in the same week. I drive a Polestar 2 right now that will be replaced by one of these. I love the exterior look of the EV9 probably even more than the Lucid. The space is amazing and the comfort of the seats is great, especially the head rests. The artificial noise made for pedestrians in the EV9 is really loud, even in the cabin, which makes no sense to me. This can be disabled with a fuse, though, according to the forums. The stereo on the Wind trim is terrible, though. I know there is a Meridian system in the higher level trim, but we have a large dog that rides in the second row and any trim above Wind we lose the bench seat. I was so angry when Ieft the second test drive of the EV9 because of the stereo. I like so much about that vehicle but the stereo might be the dealbreaker. I understand it doesn't have the range of the Lucid, driving dynamics or efficiency being a large vehicle, but it has a lot going for it and like the Lucid, it leases really well now.

The Lucid Air Pure would do everything my Polestar 2 does now, and does it so much better. I give up my ventilated leather on the Polestar 2 to get a cheaper lease on the Pure. I don't think I need the ventilated seats without the glass roof. I like the sporty ride of the Polestar 2, but my wife finds it uncomfortable on longer drives and lousy streets in Chicago. The Pure has more interior space and 2x the cargo space and almost double the range and is very comfortable. It is also so efficient that going on vacation way north in WI is possible because we can add so much range even over a 100v outlet.

After my second drive of the EV9 I was left so discouraged I drove the Pure the second time right after. I left the Pure test drive even more impressed than the first drive. For me the Pure seems like a more grown up version of the Polestar. Great fit and finish, driving dynamics and way more space. It's larger than I want for a city car, but highway comfort and range is more important. I haven't pulled the trigger on anything yet, but the Lucid Pure seems like a great upgrade and the EV9 a reasonable compromise.
Not a fair test. Of course a well designed midsized sedan will blow away a large SUV in any driving competition. The real test will be Gravity vs EV9 (and others) playing in the same space.
 
Not a fair test. Of course a well designed midsized sedan will blow away a large SUV in any driving competition. The real test will be Gravity vs EV9 (and others) playing in the same space.
It’s a fair test for them if those are the two cars they’re considering and would potentially buy one of. :)
 
Not a fair test. Of course a well designed midsized sedan will blow away a large SUV in any driving competition. The real test will be Gravity vs EV9 (and others) playing in the same space.
Absolutely. These are about as different as it gets, other than they are both EVs. Maybe a Polestar 3 or Lucid Gravity vs the EV9, but it's too early to make those comparisons. If the EV9 had a great stereo and quiet, I would put it above Pure for our family because it does everything else very well. ATM I would rather do a 18 mo lease on the Pure and revisit this again.
 
My wife and I are cross shopping the EV9 and the Lucid Air Pure. I have driven both two times in the same week. I drive a Polestar 2 right now that will be replaced by one of these. I love the exterior look of the EV9 probably even more than the Lucid. The space is amazing and the comfort of the seats is great, especially the head rests. The artificial noise made for pedestrians in the EV9 is really loud, even in the cabin, which makes no sense to me. This can be disabled with a fuse, though, according to the forums. The stereo on the Wind trim is terrible, though. I know there is a Meridian system in the higher level trim, but we have a large dog that rides in the second row and any trim above Wind we lose the bench seat. I was so angry when Ieft the second test drive of the EV9 because of the stereo. I like so much about that vehicle but the stereo might be the dealbreaker. I understand it doesn't have the range of the Lucid, driving dynamics or efficiency being a large vehicle, but it has a lot going for it and like the Lucid, it leases really well now.

The Lucid Air Pure would do everything my Polestar 2 does now, and does it so much better. I give up my ventilated leather on the Polestar 2 to get a cheaper lease on the Pure. I don't think I need the ventilated seats without the glass roof. I like the sporty ride of the Polestar 2, but my wife finds it uncomfortable on longer drives and lousy streets in Chicago. The Pure has more interior space and 2x the cargo space and almost double the range and is very comfortable. It is also so efficient that going on vacation way north in WI is possible because we can add so much range even over a 100v outlet.

After my second drive of the EV9 I was left so discouraged I drove the Pure the second time right after. I left the Pure test drive even more impressed than the first drive. For me the Pure seems like a more grown up version of the Polestar. Great fit and finish, driving dynamics and way more space. It's larger than I want for a city car, but highway comfort and range is more important. I haven't pulled the trigger on anything yet, but the Lucid Pure seems like a great upgrade and the EV9 a reasonable compromise.
We have an EV9 and also briefly cross shopped it with the Pure (we were focused on the Touring). Here's a list of what we found better about each car (I am mostly only including things we cared about, although I will address you with some):

Air:
Driving dynamics (obviously, my parents' opinion): Being a family car, we do not care about this, nevertheless the Lucid is better. Keep in mind that the Lucid is a sedan.

Looks: Even though the EV9 looks great to me, it is not even on the same level as the Lucid's sleek modernism. The EV9 feels like it is trying too hard to be futuristic.

Sound system: Interestingly, both manufacturers take similar approaches to their sound system (this is the Meridian one, included with our fully loaded Land), with clean mids and smooth, but not overpowering bass. However, the Lucid is just better in all ways; the mids are clearer AND the bass is better.

Frunk packaging: The Lucid has a much bigger frunk than the EV9 despite being much smaller in terms of the hood. It also has a deeper "sub-cargo" area. I will not be giving it points (or dinging it) on packaging regarding legroom, because they are almost incomparable. The Lucid has fantastic legroom being what it is.

Ride quality/NVH: This is not even a comparison. The EV9 is significantly louder (despite being already very quiet) and rides worse. I find it a touch too stiff, although body control is handled exceptionally well (considering it is a huge 3 row SUV).

Range (but maybe not efficiency?): The Lucid would handily beat our EV9 range-wise. However, our EV9 is consistently outperforming EPA estimates, getting 4.0 mi/kwh with city driving and 3.3 going 75 MPH. I am not sure if the Lucid would be much better, nevertheless I am adding it to the list of benefits.

Areas where they are close (or where I was undecided):

Reliability: Within the first month of ownership, our EV9 shit itself and had to be bought to the dealer for the 12v to be fixed. The fact that this is an ongoing issue with HMG cars to this date worries me, even though there have been no further issues with the car. However, it seems as if the Lucid does also have some glitches. Not owning the Lucid, I am not making a judgement here.

Interior "ambiance": Were this a comparison between the Touring and the EV9, I would easily give it to the Touring. Those interior fabrics, wood, and the glass roof all combine to give it an unmatched feel without making it seem like a strip club (cough cough EQS). As I've said before, the Pure is lacking in this area, or at least it was. I have never seen a metal-roofed Santa Cruz Pure, so I will refrain from making judgements. I imagine it would be significantly better, although I hope they someday allow the glass roof/Pure combo.

Material quality: Again, were this a comparison between the Touring and the EV9, it would have won. The fake leather in the EV9 feels like trash compared to the Bridge of Weir cuts in the Lucid, and the sophisticated fabrics/wood in the Lucid easily beats the horrible fake wood sticker in the EV9 (probably one of the worst aspects of the car, to me). However, the Pure substitutes this for PurLuxe and a somewhat rough feeling fabric replacing the "full grain" leather on the Touring. I'd say some people would prefer different approaches, and I too was undecided. Therefore, this lies in this category.

EV9:
Price: Say what you want, but even a fully loaded EV9 is much cheaper than an Air (and as you will soon see, represents better value for us). This was by FAR the most important factor to us, given that my parents have two kids that need to go to college soon! We got our Land for 69k fully loaded, while the Pure STARTED at 77k, and a Touring in our spec was ~98k. 30k is a massive difference!

Interior features: Sorry, but to us the Pure is severely lacking here. At the time we were ordering, you could only have heated front/rear seats, with no ventilation on offer. There is also no glass roof, which coupled with a black interior, made the interior "feel"... lacking. I still maintain that the Pure interior is too barren, although they have made great strides by offering the Santa Cruz interior along with ventilated seats for the front. For this reason coupled with the "ambiance" mentioned previously, we were only considering the Touring (which still only has heated seats in the rear).

By comparison, the EV9 has heated/ventilated seats with electrically controlled recliners for the first AND second row (fantastic for sleeping along with the winged headrests, BTW). The second row was a huge factor in our car buying (again, for obvious reasons), and given the lack of features in the Air, even in the higher trims, this was a major ding on it. We hope Lucid addresses this in the Gravity.

Also, it had Android Auto! 🤣

Second row legroom: The theme of this car being better in the second row continues here. There is far more legroom and "under-seat" room in the EV9. Both the Pure and Touring have no "under-seat" room, which makes my feet feel "claustrophobic," if that makes sense. HOWEVER, the Lucid is simply amazing for what it is. It is just that being an SUV, the EV9 is better.

....

Were you waiting for more? Yes, those three were the ONLY reason we got the EV9 over the Air. Both cars were above our needs in other areas, such as driving dynamics, sound system, material quality (hey, our previous car was a Kia Sorento!), cargo, etc. However, when it came to what mattered FOR US, the EV9 had a clear cut advantage. It also had the benefit of having a third row, no matter how useless it is. We valued these three improvements more than everything else the Air has. If I had to weigh each reason in terms of how it contributed to us getting an EV9, it would go like this:

40 percent price
30 percent interior features (coupled with the value the cheaper EV9 gives you in this area)
15 percent second row legroom
15 percent "brand stability" (My parents have some worry over Lucid getting bankrupt, which I don't understand. Although I tried convincing them with various figures, they still have this fear. I didn't include it in this comparison because I think it is unfair to Lucid.)

When you look at how the Lucid is so much better/equal in pretty much every other area, it is clear why we are now shifting focus to the Gravity (which has the chance of equaling/beating the EV9 in everything except price). If the Gravity is under 85k and offers the features/legroom of the EV9, we are in. As always, there will be no perfect car for everybody. In our case, the EV9 was the best option. In your case, the Air might be the best option. Look at what matters for you, and then pick wisely. Hope this helped!

(PS: There are many other points of contention between the two that I left out here. Excluding driving dynamics, which I included because you mentioned it, I only included things we thought had a bit of importance. I also probably forgot a LOT of extremely important things and will be DMing @borski to edit this post later, if needed. Feel free to request a comparison with anything else!)
 
We have an EV9 and also briefly cross shopped it with the Pure (we were focused on the Touring). Here's a list of what we found better about each car (I am mostly only including things we cared about, although I will address you with some):

Air:
Driving dynamics (obviously, my parents' opinion): Being a family car, we do not care about this, nevertheless the Lucid is better. Keep in mind that the Lucid is a sedan.

Looks: Even though the EV9 looks great to me, it is not even on the same level as the Lucid's sleek modernism. The EV9 feels like it is trying too hard to be futuristic.

Sound system: Interestingly, both manufacturers take similar approaches to their sound system (this is the Meridian one, included with our fully loaded Land), with clean mids and smooth, but not overpowering bass. However, the Lucid is just better in all ways; the mids are clearer AND the bass is better.

Frunk packaging: The Lucid has a much bigger frunk than the EV9 despite being much smaller in terms of the hood. It also has a deeper "sub-cargo" area. I will not be giving it points (or dinging it) on packaging regarding legroom, because they are almost incomparable. The Lucid has fantastic legroom being what it is.

Ride quality/NVH: This is not even a comparison. The EV9 is significantly louder (despite being already very quiet) and rides worse. I find it a touch too stiff, although body control is handled exceptionally well (considering it is a huge 3 row SUV).

Range (but maybe not efficiency?): The Lucid would handily beat our EV9 range-wise. However, our EV9 is consistently outperforming EPA estimates, getting 4.0 mi/kwh with city driving and 3.3 going 75 MPH. I am not sure if the Lucid would be much better, nevertheless I am adding it to the list of benefits.

Areas where they are close (or where I was undecided):

Reliability: Within the first month of ownership, our EV9 shit itself and had to be bought to the dealer for the 12v to be fixed. The fact that this is an ongoing issue with HMG cars to this date worries me, even though there have been no further issues with the car. However, it seems as if the Lucid does also have some glitches. Not owning the Lucid, I am not making a judgement here.

Interior "ambiance": Were this a comparison between the Touring and the EV9, I would easily give it to the Touring. Those interior fabrics, wood, and the glass roof all combine to give it an unmatched feel without making it seem like a strip club (cough cough EQS). As I've said before, the Pure is lacking in this area, or at least it was. I have never seen a metal-roofed Santa Cruz Pure, so I will refrain from making judgements. I imagine it would be significantly better, although I hope they someday allow the glass roof/Pure combo.

Material quality: Again, were this a comparison between the Touring and the EV9, it would have won. The fake leather in the EV9 feels like trash compared to the Bridge of Weir cuts in the Lucid, and the sophisticated fabrics/wood in the Lucid easily beats the horrible fake wood sticker in the EV9 (probably one of the worst aspects of the car, to me). However, the Pure substitutes this for PurLuxe and a somewhat rough feeling fabric replacing the "full grain" leather on the Touring. I'd say some people would prefer different approaches, and I too was undecided. Therefore, this lies in this category.

EV9:
Price: Say what you want, but even a fully loaded EV9 is much cheaper than an Air (and as you will soon see, represents better value for us). This was by FAR the most important factor to us, given that my parents have two kids that need to go to college soon! We got our Land for 69k fully loaded, while the Pure STARTED at 77k, and a Touring in our spec was ~98k. 30k is a massive difference!

Interior features: Sorry, but to us the Pure is severely lacking here. At the time we were ordering, you could only have heated front/rear seats, with no ventilation on offer. There is also no glass roof, which coupled with a black interior, made the interior "feel"... lacking. I still maintain that the Pure interior is too barren, although they have made great strides by offering the Santa Cruz interior along with ventilated seats for the front. For this reason coupled with the "ambiance" mentioned previously, we were only considering the Touring (which still only has heated seats in the rear).

By comparison, the EV9 has heated/ventilated seats with electrically controlled recliners for the first AND second row (fantastic for sleeping along with the winged headrests, BTW). The second row was a huge factor in our car buying (again, for obvious reasons), and given the lack of features in the Air, even in the higher trims, this was a major ding on it. We hope Lucid addresses this in the Gravity.

Also, it had Android Auto! 🤣

Second row legroom: The theme of this car being better in the second row continues here. There is far more legroom and "under-seat" room in the EV9. Both the Pure and Touring have no "under-seat" room, which makes my feet feel "claustrophobic," if that makes sense. HOWEVER, the Lucid is simply amazing for what it is. It is just that being an SUV, the EV9 is better.

....

Were you waiting for more? Yes, those three were the ONLY reason we got the EV9 over the Air. Both cars were above our needs in other areas, such as driving dynamics, sound system, material quality (hey, our previous car was a Kia Sorento!), cargo, etc. However, when it came to what mattered FOR US, the EV9 had a clear cut advantage. It also had the benefit of having a third row, no matter how useless it is. We valued these three improvements more than everything else the Air has. If I had to weigh each reason in terms of how it contributed to us getting an EV9, it would go like this:

40 percent price
30 percent interior features (coupled with the value the cheaper EV9 gives you in this area)
15 percent second row legroom
15 percent "brand stability" (My parents have some worry over Lucid getting bankrupt, which I don't understand. Although I tried convincing them with various figures, they still have this fear. I didn't include it in this comparison because I think it is unfair to Lucid.)

When you look at how the Lucid is so much better/equal in pretty much every other area, it is clear why we are now shifting focus to the Gravity (which has the chance of equaling/beating the EV9 in everything except price). If the Gravity is under 85k and offers the features/legroom of the EV9, we are in. As always, there will be no perfect car for everybody. In our case, the EV9 was the best option. In your case, the Air might be the best option. Look at what matters for you, and then pick wisely. Hope this helped!

(PS: There are many other points of contention between the two that I left out here. Excluding driving dynamics, which I included because you mentioned it, I only included things we thought had a bit of importance. I also probably forgot a LOT of extremely important things and will be DMing @borski to edit this post later, if needed. Feel free to request a comparison with anything else!)
I don't disagree with your points. I have a similar experience but at the EV9 Wind vs Lucid Air Pure level, the lease price of the Pure is better and honestly one of the biggest factors in our decision too. I think they and both great vehicles and really offer space and comfort that stand apart in the world of EVs.

I just sold my Polestar 2 to Carvana, and they pick it up on Thursday. Saturday we pick up the Pure on 18 mo lease if all goes to plan. The hit on the Polestar 2 was painful but with a lease I don't have to worry about depreciation. Getting a $65,000 car for <$500/mo on lease is so crazy to me. Soon I hope to be part of the family.
 
I don't disagree with your points. I have a similar experience but at the EV9 Wind vs Lucid Air Pure level, the lease price of the Pure is better and honestly one of the biggest factors in our decision too. I think they and both great vehicles and really offer space and comfort that stand apart in the world of EVs.

I just sold my Polestar 2 to Carvana, and they pick it up on Thursday. Saturday we pick up the Pure on 18 mo lease if all goes to plan. The hit on the Polestar 2 was painful but with a lease I don't have to worry about depreciation. Getting a $65,000 car for <$500/mo on lease is so crazy to me. Soon I hope to be part of the family.
Congratulations! With the deals Lucid has right now, especially for leasers, I agree that it is a better deal than the EV9 for most people (which does have a good amount of discounts itself). In our situation, my parents have always hated leasing, and this car purchase was no exception. In addition, when we were shopping, the Lucid deals were not of the extent that they are now. Enjoy the car!
 
Congratulations! With the deals Lucid has right now, especially for leasers, I agree that it is a better deal than the EV9 for most people (which does have a good amount of discounts itself). In our situation, my parents have always hated leasing, and this car purchase was no exception. In addition, when we were shopping, the Lucid deals were not of the extent that they are now. Enjoy the car!
I agree the current Lucid lease deals are amazing. I wonder how these leases are being financed and downstream ramifications.
 
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