DDPro Hands Free--Won't work w Rear Accessories

[raleighone]

I've been mostly on one lane roads in Colorado since 3.6 and finally did a long road trip and was wondering why it wasn't enabling hands-free. I went into the menus and realized that DDPro Hands Free and Auto Lane Changes are greatly limited, if not completely non-working, if you have a bike rack on the back and "rear attachment" set. Makes sense, but...!!

Has anyone experimented with this? I'm hoping just taking the bike off (but leaving rack on) may allow for hands-free, especially if I de-select the "rear attachment" setting but haven't had a chance to try. I hope I don't have to take the entire bike rack off to get hands-free.

BTW-No complaints here. I get it. For hands-free and auto-lane change you want the rear camera unobstructed. But hoping it works in some easy way...

Just posting in case someone else has this situation. I'll update if I get time to try.

 

[Aka-none]

I hadn’t thought about that before but what you describe makes sense, and also why you can’t tow with an Air.
1 the car tries to protect its contents, us
2 the car tries to protect itself, collision avoidance or least with braking , lane maintaining
3 the car tries to not damage other things by not hitting them
So does this qualify as meeting the three laws of robotics?
Instead of madmax mode we have an awesome car that wants us to have a good time safely.
Putting anything that blocks sensors is like blinding the car and thus preventing it from doing it’s job

 

[raleighone]

I actually just tried taking the bike off but leaving the bike rack on and it still did not work. Then, with the rack still on, I turned off the 2 settings about having an accessory. Still didn't work.

Seems like it just won't work with even an empty bike rack on the back. Let me know if you have other info, different results with different rack, etc.

 

[HC_79]

Guess you discovered the limitations. This is from the manual

Limitations in Tow Mode and Rear Attachments Optimization​

TOW mode limits some of the vehicle's DreamDrive features to accommodate towing a trailer. Some DreamDrive driving features, parking features, and safety features will function with degraded performance or not be available while towing a trailer.

Rear Attachment Optimization adjusts the vehicle's DreamDrive features to accommodate carrying rear-mounted accessories. Some DreamDrive driving features, parking features, safety features, and rear view monitoring will be limited while carrying rear accessories.

 

[raleighone]

Ha...yeah..."limited"=Won't work.

 

[martinjlm]

I could tell you horror stories of driving our Tesla Model Y with bikes on the rack. Remember, FSD is a camera only system. With the bikes on it the car thinks you’re being tailgated and tries to outmaneuver the tailgater. Use your imagination. My problem was, until fairly recently, the car WOULD NOT block you from trying to use FSD or at a very minimum tell you that the functionality will be diminished (greatly) due to rear camera(s) being blocked.

 

[raleighone]

I could tell you horror stories of driving our Tesla Model Y with bikes on the rack. Remember, FSD is a camera only system. With the bikes on it the car thinks you’re being tailgated and tries to outmaneuver the tailgater. Use your imagination. My problem was, until fairly recently, the car WOULD NOT block you from trying to use FSD or at a very minimum tell you that the functionality will be diminished (greatly) due to rear camera(s) being blocked.

Yes, that is what I'm curious about and hope they move towards that way of working. (and BTW, I had read the manual and even posted the screenshot of the warnings saying it'd be "limited.")

From what I'm gathering, they have it as an on/off function. If you have an accessory attached, Hands-Free just won't work. I hope this can be changed later to a more visual based check via cameras. Such as, if cameras show only 10% obstruction due to bike rack without bike on back, it will work. If bike is on and camera views are obstructed by XX%, it won't.

BTW-Just having my bike on the back, I see that "ghost tailgaters" often, too! Makes for entertaining visuals at times...

 

[Aka-none]

Oh fsd with random blocking of random sensors sounds easy but it’s not simply ignore that area. It also needs to be trained on how to maintain safe operation.
Some might say but my Tesla could do this 10 years ago. May I remind you that is the same company that brought you madmax mode. You know deliberately operate like a maniac. Compare my view of the car and what it does vs what a Tesla does.
Edit which vehicle do you think is built by a company that doesn’t care what happens to you?

 

[raleighone]

UPDATE: Okay, strange but I need to update this thread as yesterday my hands-free popped on even while my bike rack is on the back (but no bike...I'll have to test another time).

I have no idea why it suddenly came on after a month but perhaps it never did the initial enabling? I mean, I drove on several 2-3 lane highways and even drove 5 hours to Utah and back to Colorado and it never enabled hands-free. However, I shot down to Santa Fe NM yesterday and suddenly on a 3 lane highway, it started working.

So yeah...anyone else trying w a rack on back?

Is there a way to edit the title of this thread since it's not accurate. Sorry...;-)

 

[Hammerthyme]

You said "mostly one lane roads". I assume you know that hands-free is only available on certain highways. It could entirely be an issue with the obstructed rear camera, but it could also be that you are travelling on a road that doesn't allow hands-free.

 

[raleighone]

That was original post from a month ago. Since then I’ve been on plenty of 2 lanes each way and it never initialized. Wondering if it’s just area of the country I’m in currently. Oh well…I’ll test it w the bike on the rack soon to see if it actually will work.

 

[raleighone]

Just another update...and another mea culpa on this issue after more testing.

Since I recently moved on from Durango, CO area, I hit some bigger highways and can now say that Hands-Free worked WITH my bike on back. So maybe we'll get some answers at some point on how "limited" this hands free really is when mounting a bike. It did not allow automatic lane changes (even when I told it to change lanes)...so perhaps that is the main limitation with bikes on the back.