Anyone else kind of sick of the Gravity negative posts?

[ilyabu]

No. For me a diversity of experience is valuable whether positive or negative.

Is it really diversity or just a lot of repetition? Yup Lucid decided to only include one key fob. No CarKey isn’t available yet. Oh my how dreadful. Rinse and repeat repeat.

 

[ilyabu]

I’m getting chatbot vibes…

All joking aside, you’re fighting a futile battle here. Either accept it don’t get frustrated or move on. No one is forcing you to do anything other than what you want.

As in I’m somehow a chat bot??

Look if others can go on and on and clutch their pearls about stuff like one vs two key fobs then I’ll just go ahead and vent about their pearl clutching.

 

[Sajicskin]

Absolutely in love with the car. Literally my only complaint is that I’m too tall and my knees sometimes hit the lower screen. I wish it didn’t stick out and was better integrated …other than that. Best car ever.

 

[WildRide47]

I also had a 2023 BMW iX. It spent a month in the service center while they tried to figure out why it wouldn’t fully shut off. Lots of SW issues. The refreshed 2026 iX we traded in for is very solid however. That’s what happens with cars and with SW, the bugs get worked out.

Ilyabu you need to read more carefully what I wrote. I never said my wife had a BMW IX. I said my wife has a BMW i4M50. A completely different car than the IX, and one that is bulletproof which has so far been corroborated by others on this forum whose 2nd car is the i4.

 

[ilyabu]

Ilyabu you need to read more carefully what I wrote. I never said my wife had a BMW IX. I said my wife has a BMW i4M50. A completely different car than the IX, and one that is bulletproof which has so far been corroborated by others on this forum whose 2nd car is the i4.

Yes I saw you said i4. My point was that BMW EVs based on the same drivetrain also have HW and SW bugs. What’s your point?

 

[WildRide47]

Yes I saw you said i4. My point was that BMW EVs based on the same drivetrain also have HW and SW bugs. What’s your point?

My point was clearly stated. I bought my wife's 2023 BMW i4 M50 in December 2022. She has had the car for three years and has never brought it into service because the hardware and software has been perfect. I don't believe this is a one off because there are other people on this forum, who have also stated the same experience with their i4. BMW apparently made a model that did not have software or hardware bugs, so yes it can be done early in the life cycle as the i4 was introduced in 2022. My point is that some manufacturers spend more time on some models to make sure the software works better before releasing it and some models they rush out the door before the software is ready. Apparently they were in a rush to get the IX out early, while they took more time with the i4. My original comparison was to be with Lucid who was new and had software problems with the Air. Why they had similar problems with the Gravity after 4 years experience with the Air is something I find hard to understand. You stated eventually the bugs get worked out. My point was there were and are no bugs on the I4 when it was released, so it can be done. At least on my wife's car and on others on this forum who have stated they have had the same experience with their i4's.

 

[ilyabu]

My point was clearly stated. I bought my wife's 2023 BMW i4 M50 in December 2022. She has had the car for three years and has never brought it into service because the hardware and software has been perfect. I don't believe this is a one off because there are other people on this forum, who have also stated the same experience with their i4. BMW apparently made a model that did not have software or hardware bugs, so yes it can be done early in the life cycle as the i4 was introduced in 2022. My point is that some manufacturers spend more time on some models to make sure the software works better before releasing it and some models they rush out the door before the software is ready. Apparently they were in a rush to get the IX out early, while they took more time with the i4. My original comparison was to be with Lucid who was new and had software problems with the Air. Why they had similar problems with the Gravity after 4 years experience with the Air is something I find hard to understand. You stated eventually the bugs get worked out. My point was there were and are no bugs on the I4 when it was released, so it can be done. At least on my wife's car and on others on this forum who have stated they have had the same experience with their i4's.

Again, BMW had many years of experience with EVs (think old i3) and still had many issues with the iX. I find it hard to believe the i4 was totally without issues, since it used the same drivetrain and SW as the iX and was (I think) released at the same time. Regardless, BMW had previous EV models and still had issues with a newer EV SUV, so Lucid is not somehow unique, and if its hard for an established large manufacturer like BMW to release a new model without issues it is significantly more difficult for a much smaller and newer OEM like Lucid. So, IMHO, your point that the Gravity should be flawless because your specific i4 was without issues is not logically sound.

 

[WildRide47]

Again, BMW had many years of experience with EVs (think old i3) and still had many issues with the iX. I find it hard to believe the i4 was totally without issues, since it used the same drivetrain and SW as the iX and was (I think) released at the same time. Regardless, BMW had previous EV models and still had issues with a newer EV SUV, so Lucid is not somehow unique, and if its hard for an established large manufacturer like BMW to release a new model without issues it is significantly more difficult for a much smaller and newer OEM like Lucid. So, IMHO, your point that the Gravity should be flawless because your specific i4 was without issues is not logically sound.

From the posts on this board, the Gravity is plagued with numerous software gremlins. After four years of experience with the Air, there's absolutely no excuse for the number of glitches from what I'm reading about on Gravity owners. You give a logical argument concerning the BMWs but that that doesn't explain how my wife's i4 has been flawless in software and hardware as well as those lucid owners who also have an i4 as their second car. There is logic which is theoretical and there is reality on the ground. How do you explain the difference from results to your stated logic.

 

[ilyabu]

From the posts on this board, the Gravity is plagued with numerous software gremlins. After four years of experience with the Air, there's absolutely no excuse for the number of glitches from what I'm reading about on Gravity owners. You give a logical argument concerning the BMWs but that that doesn't explain how my wife's i4 has been flawless in software and hardware as well as those lucid owners who also have an i4 as their second car. There is logic which is theoretical and there is reality on the ground. How do you explain the difference from results to your stated logic.

Your comment of “there’s absolutely no excuse” suggests the at you do not have experience in technology development. The Gravity is an entirely new platform in terms of the SW. There are ALWAYS at least some problems with new SW platforms especially ones as complex as the Gravity which allegedly uses a base OS and a hypervisor approach for the infotainment OS.

You and some others got lucky to not have issues with your i4. Lots of BMW, and Rivian and Volvo and Polestar and Tesla, owners have experienced issues with their early release cars.

The four years of the Air being available really has no bearing on what a brand new model and platform like the Gravity will be like. And another year of testing the SW likely would not have significantly improved the quality because there is nothing like scale usage.

This is just life as an early adopter of new tech.

 

[ilyabu]

From the posts on this board, the Gravity is plagued with numerous software gremlins. After four years of experience with the Air, there's absolutely no excuse for the number of glitches from what I'm reading about on Gravity owners. You give a logical argument concerning the BMWs but that that doesn't explain how my wife's i4 has been flawless in software and hardware as well as those lucid owners who also have an i4 as their second car. There is logic which is theoretical and there is reality on the ground. How do you explain the difference from results to your stated logic.

Here’s another explanation for you as well; cars are fundamentally changing to be software defined. Used to be that all of the tech on a car was set and “frozen” three years before the car was released. So the day you got the car it was as good as it was ever going to be onto get but typically pretty solid. Tesla changed all that, with their cars being computers on wheels. The cars would get better with regular updates all without having to go to a dealer. But because this was all software driven there were inevitable bugs. BMW and other traditional car manufacturers have struggled to switch over to this new model. The original i4 and
iX had under powered computers and BMW ended up not releasing many updates for them before switching to much more powerful computers, which could play media apps, deliver hands free driving at higher speed etc. They are now slowly moving to the Tesla model of shipping more powerful computers HW with a plan for years of SW upgrades OTA.

Lucid is clearly following the Tesla model. Their cars are computers on wheels. They are software defined. They seem to have done a significant platform upgrade / switch with the Gravity. They likely underestimated the work involved in shipping the new SW platform. But the HW is great, and powerful, so the SW will inevitably catch up. And they are shipping updates about monthly as compared to BMW and Kia who maybe do an update once or twice a year.

Personally I’d much rather have the car that is constantly improving.

 

[TahoeMichael]

I have a gravity DE. Picked it up in June, yes SW had multiple issues. Latest 3.3.20 release solves many if not most of those issues. Yet there's still so much negativity here. And its causing people to apparently hold off on getting a Gravity which is both bizarre and disappointing to me. The complaints about only getting one key fob or not yet having CarPlay are mind boggling as that info is so easily available. And some moderators here just seem to be ok with all the negativity. is it really unreasonable to expect people to 1) do a little research, or ask AI, before buying a luxury SUV and 2) have some idea of what it means to get a SW based car early in its cycle, based on ALL the previous similar examples from Tesla, BMW, Rivian, Polestar, etc??

I just don't get it.

I don't think it should be surprising that the forum attracts negative comments. As has been frequently noted here, if you're happily driving an amazing SUV that handles like a sports car, you may not see much need to come hang out here.

But I am a bit puzzled by your comment. You seem to be simultaneously critiquing people for not doing their research and being surprised by problems that have been discussed here, and also people who do their research and decide they're not ready to be early adopters.

 

[Leftlane]

How many years does Lucid have to be selling cars for you to still be considered an ”early adopter” if you buy one? Just curious about your metrics.

 

[Miami_Lucid_Man]

Absolutely in love with the car. Literally my only complaint is that I’m too tall and my knees sometimes hit the lower screen. I wish it didn’t stick out and was better integrated …other than that. Best car ever.

Nice garage! You have room for a lift in there. Jealous!

 

[BrianBigNFun]

as a business owner I know this to be true-

make a customer happy and you'll be lucky if one out of ten tell someone
make a customer upset and you can expect nine out of ten will tell anyone who will listen

its human nature to complain when something doesn't go smoothly, especially if you paid over $80k for a car
I try to keep my comments balanced and fair but I get the frustration of others when they experiences issues from the merely annoying to having major breakdowns

 

[hmp10]

Yup Lucid decided to only include one key fob. No CarKey isn’t available yet. Oh my how dreadful.

You're riding this horse way too hard. Yes, there have been some complaints about receiving only one key fob, especially from Dream owners who were told they would get two.

In the first place, complaints about the number of key fobs have been a minor presence in the larger landscape of early problems.

There are many multi-driver households with multiple cars in which each driver wants to keep a key on their own keyring so that another driver doesn't inadvertently forget to leave the sole key behind when leaving home in another car. I've had this happen when my partner went somewhere in our Air but forgot to put the Gravity fob back in the place we normally keep it. And the early issues with key cards not working reliably and no PAAK yet available did not help.

But has it ever occurred to you that this is about more than just a missing key fob. It's reflective of a company that began delivering very expensive cars without having their procurement lines for key (no pun intended) components yet nailed down. We saw the same thing with the confusion Lucid sowed when they could not procure enough HUDs for initial production and had to rejigger the contents of the Technology Package that many customers had ordered. And again when they had to divert much of early production to Saudi Arabia because of unspecified issues with stepping up the voltage for U.S. Gravities to use Superchargers, followed by reports of rear drive unit failures (which may or may not have been related).

 

[ilyabu]

How many years does Lucid have to be selling cars for you to still be considered an ”early adopter” if you buy one? Just curious about your metrics.

The Gravity is an entirely new car and platform. BMW has been selling cars for many years and the first iX had issues, same with Volvo and the EX90, lots of other similar examples.

 

[ilyabu]

I don't think it should be surprising that the forum attracts negative comments. As has been frequently noted here, if you're happily driving an amazing SUV that handles like a sports car, you may not see much need to come hang out here.

But I am a bit puzzled by your comment. You seem to be simultaneously critiquing people for not doing their research and being surprised by problems that have been discussed here, and also people who do their research and decide they're not ready to be early adopters.

nope 0 complaints / critiques from me if someone says being an early adopter is just not for me.

 

[ilyabu]

You're riding this horse way too hard. Yes, there have been some complaints about receiving only one key fob, especially from Dream owners who were told they would get two.

In the first place, complaints about the number of key fobs have been a minor presence in the larger landscape of early problems.

There are many multi-driver households with multiple cars in which each driver wants to keep a key on their own keyring so that another driver doesn't inadvertently forget to leave the sole key behind when leaving home in another car. I've had this happen when my partner went somewhere in our Air but forgot to put the Gravity fob back in the place we normally keep it. And the early issues with key cards not working reliably and no PAAK yet available did not help.

But has it ever occurred to you that this is about more than just a missing key fob. It's reflective of a company that began delivering very expensive cars without having their procurement lines for key (no pun intended) components yet nailed down. We saw the same thing with the confusion Lucid sowed when they could not procure enough HUDs for initial production and had to rejigger the contents of the Technology Package that many customers had ordered. And again when they had to divert much of early production to Saudi Arabia because of unspecified issues with stepping up the voltage for U.S. Gravities to use Superchargers, followed by reports of rear drive unit failures (which may or may not have been related).

I am riding this horse just as much as I'd like to ride it, thanks. I am a DE owner and I did get a second fob, just after delivery. And the HUD point is another good one, Lucid was clear that they had to make a packaging change with the HUD and yet people still seemed surprised if / when their car didn't have a HUD. That is my whole point, there wouldn't be confusion if people could be bothered to read / research before complaining instead of the other way around.

 

[WildRide47]

Here’s another explanation for you as well; cars are fundamentally changing to be software defined. Used to be that all of the tech on a car was set and “frozen” three years before the car was released. So the day you got the car it was as good as it was ever going to be onto get but typically pretty solid. Tesla changed all that, with their cars being computers on wheels. The cars would get better with regular updates all without having to go to a dealer. But because this was all software driven there were inevitable bugs. BMW and other traditional car manufacturers have struggled to switch over to this new model. The original i4 and
iX had under powered computers and BMW ended up not releasing many updates for them before switching to much more powerful computers, which could play media apps, deliver hands free driving at higher speed etc. They are now slowly moving to the Tesla model of shipping more powerful computers HW with a plan for years of SW upgrades OTA.

Lucid is clearly following the Tesla model. Their cars are computers on wheels. They are software defined. They seem to have done a significant platform upgrade / switch with the Gravity. They likely underestimated the work involved in shipping the new SW platform. But the HW is great, and powerful, so the SW will inevitably catch up. And they are shipping updates about monthly as compared to BMW and Kia who maybe do an update once or twice a year.

Personally I’d much rather have the car that is constantly improving.

I guess each to his own. My wife is very happy with her BMW I4 as it is. She doesn't want or need any more improvements. She just wants her car to work every time she go about her daily activities without worrying whether some software is going to have glitches. Her friends feel the same way. I have to partially agree with her. I don't need any more improvements on my Lucid AGT. I just want things to work as they should, but I guess being a techie you have a different approach and that's certainly understandable.

 

[ilyabu]

I guess each to his own. My wife is very happy with her BMW I4 as it is. She doesn't want or need any more improvements. She just wants her car to work every time she go about her daily activities without worrying whether some software is going to have glitches. Her friends feel the same way. I have to partially agree with her. I don't need any more improvements on my Lucid AGT. I just want things to work as they should, but I guess being a techie you have a different approach and that's certainly understandable.

I think that's fair and why "traditional" cars still sell a lot. It does make life difficult for the automakers who are trying to compete with Tesla and others and adopt a software defined car approach while also pleasing traditional buyers. Personally I think it's going to become more and more difficult over time for the traditional approach cars to sell; people are getting used to apps on the iPhones constantly being updated and improving, now same with apps on TVs, etc. Buying a new car with 3-year-old tech that never gets updates won't meet expectations from folks who are more used to technology. Some good reading on this in a research paper from IBM:
"IBM research predicts that 90% of all vehicle-related innovations are expected to consist of software in 2030. And 75% of auto industry executives anticipate that the software-defined experience is going to be the core of brand value by 2035"

What is a Software Defined Vehicle? | IBM

An SDV is a modern automobile in which core functions and features are controlled, updated and enhanced through software rather than fixed hardware systems.

www.ibm.com

FWIW I think Lucid is clearly, like Tesla, an SDV company so IMHO their vehicles are not going to be great choices for people who just want stuff to stay the same.