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Hi everyone, as I get closer to placing an order for a Gravity GT, I wanted to get some feedback on the 22"/23" wheels.

I really like the look of the 22"/23" wheels and I like that the P Zeros they're equiped with are the most performance oriented option. I have two questions:

(1) Has anyone tried winter tires on these? It looks like you can get a set of Pirellia Scorpion Winter 2 tires on them. I know smaller wheels are more ideal for snow/ice performance, but I'm willing to sacrifice some of that for the look of the bigger wheels.

(2) Can anyone speak to pothole resilience? I feel like I've seen a few posts about people getting bubbling, but is it that common? I've only had performance cars (both small and large) for the past 10+ years, so all have/had relatively little sidewall, but I've never had an issue with potholes. I am generally mindful about going around potholes when driving. Will it be that different with the heavier Gravity?
 
2) We got the 22/23 (would've preferred the 21/22 to balance looks and comfort), they do look amazing and the suspension handles normal road harshness well, but I definitely feel a harder "clunk" over potholes than in my previous 3-row EV with 21 inch wheels (to be fair, I haven't tried other wheels on the Gravity so I can only use the EV9 as my point of comparison, whose wheels handled potholes better but the overall suspension and ride doesn't compare to the Gravity)
 
I’m in NYC and travel to NJ frequently on the 22/23”. They work well, even better on a different tire from Goodyear at half Pirelli cost.

I wouldn’t use them for the winter (the 23s). I got a set of 22s for that.
 
037 said:
I’m in NYC and travel to NJ frequently on the 22/23”. They work well, even better on a different tire from Goodyear at half Pirelli cost.

I wouldn’t use them for the winter (the 23s). I got a set of 22s for that.
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Which Goodyears are you on?
 
037 said:
I’m in NYC and travel to NJ frequently on the 22/23”. They work well, even better on a different tire from Goodyear at half Pirelli cost.

I wouldn’t use them for the winter (the 23s). I got a set of 22s for that.
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Why wouldn't you use them for the winter? Potholes or performance? On the performance front, I figured 23" on winters would probably outperform even the 20/21 on all seasons.
 
The_Don said:
Why wouldn't you use them for the winter? Potholes or performance? On the performance front, I figured 23" on winters would probably outperform even the 20/21 on all seasons.
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In snow, narrow tires do better. General cold weather driving wider tires do better. For the extra potholes and curbs and dirt and random…I wouldn’t use 23s for that. The tires are probably a premium too.

I have a set of Michelin All Season 4 for the winter in 265/285 on 22s all around. They worked well last winter. Just don’t take them on ice, very bad…
 
The 20/21 are better in every way except for looks. It depends on what you value more - practicality and performance or looks.
 
I have the 22/23 setup and hate them/ im actually selling them if anyone interested, maybe it’s my driving but in 3k miles I got 3 flats - tires first with bubbles then they end up popping
 
I have the 22/23s from the factory. I live in Michigan and travel north to ski in the winter.

I knew right off the bat that I would need to use snow tires. I have a Durango Hellcat and always used winter tires on that.

Winter tire technology has improved so much over the last 10-15 years that snow and ice driving is simply a different world than it used to be. It isn't just more aggressive tread or deeper grooves - the compound is so much softer than summer tires. Just as summer tires are too hard for winter, winter tires are too soft for summer. I would recommend you follow the temperature recommendations for each type of tire. The manufacturers are right.

I bought the winter tire set from Lucid, including wheels. They are really good and I don't really worry about potholes, irregular ice or other winter road imperfections and they have great grip in heavy snow (of course, 3 tons of weight helps!)

When I switched to the summers in the Spring, I noticed a harsher ride. I had to start paying attention to potholes and road imperfections. BUT, it was awesome to get back on to tires that beg for clear entrance and exit ramps and the look of the wheels and the unimpeded view of the rotors and brake calipers is awesome! Without break dust (OPD benefit) the inner wheel stays shiny black - just awesome! I'll hate taking them off in the Fall.

But, I'll also love having winters that take the attention required down a notch. However, the biggest upside to having two sets of wheels and tires - tread wear. I only wear half of the tread on each set each year. It will delay replacement costs (after a sizable upfront cost) and, more importantly, the appropriate tread for the weather in the upcoming season. If I need to replace the winters, you can bet your last dollar I'm going to do that in October, not May, when tires used all year may need replacing.

Literally, YMMV.

Dream Ahead!
 
Thank you all for your input! Just to close the loop here, I'm going to go with the 20"/21" wheels, but don't plan on using the stock all seasons. Will do PZ4s in the summer with Vredestein Wintrac Pro+ in the winter.
 
I have the 20/21's w/ the OEM Hankooks which have good range properties but aren't the grippiest even though they are M/S rated.
I've also had my eye on the Vredesteins for winter although since we drive from sea level up to the snow I will opt for the Quatrac Pro+ A/S instead of the Wintrac's as they are also 3PMSF rated but not too soft for our warmer winter days by the coast.

I think you'll be happy with your wheel/tire choices. When switching back to the summer set up you can undo the two bolts on the inside of the 20/21 wheels and take each of the aero covers off to get that more open brake caliper display look like the 22/23's have
 
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