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This is both interesting and useless at the same time... I wish AAA had the awareness not to combine L1/L2 and DCFC into a single average price. That makes no sense and does not help consumers. L1/L2 pricing is generally driven by consumption. While DCFC pricing is driven by utility demand pricing. That is why DCFC prices per kWh are usually 3x the cost of L1/L2, and consumers probably want to know what DCFC is likely to cost them, if they are road tripping.

That, and I wish idiots would stop calling DCFC "L3." It is not. L3 is 3-phase AC charging, like what Europe has. Our level of DCFC is actually L2.
 
exxxviii said:
This is both interesting and useless at the same time... I wish AAA had the awareness not to combine L1/L2 and DCFC into a single average price. That makes no sense and does not help consumers. L1/L2 pricing is generally driven by consumption. While DCFC pricing is driven by utility demand pricing. That is why DCFC prices per kWh are usually 3x the cost of L1/L2, and consumers probably want to know what DCFC is likely to cost them, if they are road tripping.

That, and I wish idiots would stop calling DCFC "L3." It is not. L3 is 3-phase AC charging, like what Europe has. Our level of DCFC is actually L2.
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Please don’t refer to others as idiots. It is both rude and incorrect. Lectron is a well known brand that refers to L3 charging as DC fast charging.

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Level 3 Charging Speed - Everything You Need to Know

As electric vehicles (EVs) become more common, charging speed has become one of the most important factors shaping how and where people drive. For many EV drivers, the difference between a 30-minute stop and a multi-hour wait can completely change the ownership experience. This is where Level 3...
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Adnillien said:
Please don’t refer to others as idiots. It is both rude and incorrect. Lectron is a well known brand that refers to L3 charging as DC fast charging.
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OK, what do you prefer? Lectron is a very well known brand that is either ignorant of vehicle charging standards or intentionally misrepresenting vehicle charging standards. They may not be actual idiots, as they may not be acting acting in a foolish or stupid way. I suppose they are just lacking organizational intelligence. But, by some accounts, intentionally misrepresenting standards or being ignorant of standards in an industry where they are expected to be an expert could be regarded as stupid or foolish. And if so, and if what I wrote is true, then it is neither rude nor incorrect.
 
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exxxviii said:
OK, what do you prefer? Lectron is a very well known brand that is ignorant of vehicle charging standards. I stand corrected, because technically speaking, this behavior is not idiotic, as it is not acting in a foolish or stupid way. I suppose they are just lacking organizational intelligence.
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I prefer that you be nice to other members of the forum. This is a friendly community so please act that way.
 
Adnillien said:
Please don’t refer to others as idiots. It is both rude and incorrect. Lectron is a well known brand that refers to L3 charging as DC fast charging.

ev-lectron.com

Level 3 Charging Speed - Everything You Need to Know

As electric vehicles (EVs) become more common, charging speed has become one of the most important factors shaping how and where people drive. For many EV drivers, the difference between a 30-minute stop and a multi-hour wait can completely change the ownership experience. This is where Level 3...
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And BMW refers to it as “HPC” for High Power Charging which is kinda odd way but I get what they mean.
 
I'm an idiot that believes every manufacturer, every 'International' organization, every country has their own idea of 'Levels' that has and will evolve over the years. It's really not worth getting picky with the quick evolution of connectors voltage and current levels.

I believe the overall consensus, if any is:
Level 1 The slowest, cheapest, sometimes free charging done with equipment provided with the car for your country's typical electrical outlets.
Level 2 A step up from level1, usually for home use that required some additional electrical sockets and or wiring to be installed within the structure.
Level 3 The fastest available charging, used to be 3 phase in Japan and Europe, 2 phase 240VAC USA, currently DC everywhere at all sorts of voltages and currents.

As time passes I believe these definitions will suffice and won't change.
 
bicycleguy said:
I'm an idiot that believes every manufacturer, every 'International' organization, every country has their own idea of 'Levels' that has and will evolve over the years. It's really not worth getting picky with the quick evolution of connectors voltage and current levels.
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There is actually a global SAE standard that formally defines electric vehicle charging:
AC Level 1 = 120V
AC Level 2 = 240V split phase or 208V single phase
AC Level 3 = 208V three phase
DC Level 1 = <80 kW
DC Level 2 = <400 kW

Media outlets have dumbed this down, but the explicit standards have existed for years.

When we eventually have 1 megawatt chargers for super fast charging, those will truly be Level 3 chargers.
 
Interesting, I wasn't aware of the standards. 3 phase power is great, but the industry does suffer from a serious over-proliferation of 3 phase types. Wye and Delta, with and without neutrals, at a whole array of voltages. I run 240v 3-phase delta without neutral in my workshop, and have to carefully ensure that a vendor isn't selling me something incompatible, which has happened due to a sales person not really understanding what the differences are between different kinds of 3 phase power.
 
I've been aware of the SAE standards for awhile but it's frustrating when talking to friends or people interested in EVs about all the different plugs, adapters and charging levels.
I prefer to just tell them its wall plug(120v), garage installed charger(I'm aware it's an EVSE) and EV charging station high powered fast charger.

Don't get me started on J1772, Type 1 DCFC and NACS...and lets not forget CHADEMO...scratch that, lets just forget CHAdeMo.
 
exxxviii said:
There is actually a global SAE standard that formally defines electric vehicle charging:
AC Level 1 = 120V
AC Level 2 = 240V split phase or 208V single phase
AC Level 3 = 208V three phase
DC Level 1 = <80 kW
DC Level 2 = <400 kW

Media outlets have dumbed this down, but the explicit standards have existed for years.

When we eventually have 1 megawatt chargers for super fast charging, those will truly be Level 3 chargers.
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"This just in! General public fails to use obscure official technical terms. News at 11!"
 
doubletwist said:
"This just in! General public fails to use obscure official technical terms. News at 11!"
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Just wait until you hear about tons and tonnes
 
We are talking about the country that collectively decided we were all too dumb to switch to the metric system and gave up.
 
borski said:
Just wait until you hear about tons and tonnes
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One of the greatest inventions is the 20 oz pint. Way better than a tonne.
 
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