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Kim Java - Preview Gravity?

martinjlm said:
I can tell you from driving experience and from technical experience that the parts in bold are not as you describe. I think that you assume that if your eyes can't see it the cameras can't. Not true. I can tell when I drive our Tesla or our Lucid that the cameras can see several cars ahead, including vehicles in front of the vehicle in front of me. That's the driving experience part. And I've seen both cars do that even in foggy weather. Just experienced this on my recent drive from Detroit to Hilton Head Island.

From technical experience if I go back to my days tracking new technology additions in my product portfolio planning days I very often attended supplier tech demos where they showed us cameras that see as clearly in pitch black or in fog, driving rain, or snowfall much better than the human eye can see. I retired from that job in 2017. Practically everything I was looking at camera-wise back then is not only in the field by now, but probably a cycle or two improved from when I saw it.
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What I’m saying is, it won’t reach robotaxi level. And any poor visibility and dirt on camera, it won’t work. When it stops working , no redundancy to bring you to a safe stop.

FSD can’t see the car ahead of me, but nothing in front of that car, but I can see the 2nd car ahead through 1st car windows. Just relying in cameras is a fools errand.

If Lucid can get something within 10 \% of FSD they have a winner.
 
martinjlm said:
At the risk of continuing the FSD hijack of this thread I want to expand on what @DeaneG and @Northpointe have pointed out.

We've had a 2023 Model Y since new. We've received a number of free FSD trials. Each subsequent trial sucked just a little bit less than the immediate prior trial. On the Tesla forums I pretty much wore out my welcome because of my consistent criticism of FSD. And then something happened. From SW version 14.2.x onward it was actually g-o-o-d. And I don't mind saying that on the same forums where I had previously trashed it. If I'm going to "tell the truth" when it sucks, I need to also "tell the truth" when it is near excellent.

Now that we also have a 2023 Lucid I am in a position to compare the vehicles on every measure of what I want / need in an automobile. In that respect, the only thing the Model Y does better than the Lucid is FSD.

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This is where I see the value of Lucid placing the Gravity with Kim Java. If her experiences with the Gravity demonstrates over a long period of time (a full year) that in every conceivable measure except FSD and onscreen gaming that the Gravity is head and shoulders above anything in Tesla's portfolio, that's a huge win for Lucid.
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And hard to see any other outcome than that, the Gravity should be the better family vehicle outside of FSD - assuming the software is not a sore spot. The Gravity is homerun on paper. Lucid just needs to line the bases (service, software, reliability and visibility) and hit the grand slam out the park. Her recent comparison video the Escalade IQ was such a kick in the nuts to the IQ (which I happen to like). The Gravity is the better product and it's cheaper!

I do not need a large vehicle but certainly look forward to the midsize platform. While a Tesla will remain in our fleet for the foreseeable future, Lucid and Rivian are the only companies given it a run for its money. I wish Tesla leaned a bit more on luxury, so the idea of a company focusing on tech and luxury is so appealing to me (RIP Polestar lol for now anyway).
 
How about we take the dag gone FSD talk somewhere else????? Leave this thread back to it's original intent please. I don't care how we got here, but can we please leave it?!?! I don't care anything in the slightest about FSD thank you.
 
hwy17er said:
I posted this in another thread but here is the article for those that haven't read about it:
gizmodo.com

Another Tesla on Autopilot Stopped on Freeway, Driver Died: Report

The vehicle stopped in live traffic and was rear-ended.
gizmodo.com gizmodo.com

My opinion: As more and more ppl put on their dark glasses and sleep on their way to work, have the car drive them home after drinking, answer all their emails and texts on the hwy, or put grandma in the car to get her to her medical appt so they can go to work, etc.. the road will NOT become safer like everyone theorizes just because FSD is better than the way a lot of ppl drive.

YMMV
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Seriously? Well, your opinion suck lol. If you truly believe in a world of level 4 to 5 autonomy and it's not safer than humans, I'm completely speechless. The current Lvl 2 with supervision is safer than most people out there with their eyes glued to their stupid phone. But I digress. Good luck.
 

When will Lucid ever come out with anything even remotely resembling this?

I’m not talking about the robotaxi thing, I’m watching, just in awe, at the slickness and smoothness, and the “seamless connectivity”, of all the software.

I don’t even know what I’m talking about, or what I’m asking, but I’m really, really impressed!
 
LVAGT said:
Seriously? Well, your opinion suck lol. If you truly believe in a world of level 4 to 5 autonomy and it's not safer than humans, I'm completely speechless. The current Lvl 2 with supervision is safer than most people out there with their eyes glued to their stupid phone. But I digress. Good luck.
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But level 4/5 is a decade away….people act as if Tesla has it now.. all due to Musk intentional false advertising
 
Bus Driver said:

When will Lucid ever come out with anything even remotely resembling this?

I’m not talking about the robotaxi thing, I’m watching, just in awe, at the slickness and smoothness, and the “seamless connectivity”, of all the software.

I don’t even know what I’m talking about, or what I’m asking, but I’m really, really impressed!
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Yep, Tesla software is the bomb….really good. Issue I see is Lucid has 3 touchscreens, Tesla 1. Doesn’t that make it more difficult for Lucid to achieve the same level of quality?
 
Bus Driver said:

When will Lucid ever come out with anything even remotely resembling this?

I’m not talking about the robotaxi thing, I’m watching, just in awe, at the slickness and smoothness, and the “seamless connectivity”, of all the software.

I don’t even know what I’m talking about, or what I’m asking, but I’m really, really impressed!
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Because they’ve had 15+ years to refine the software and infrastructure that runs behind it.
 
gaskiller said:
... Issue I see is Lucid has 3 touchscreens, Tesla 1. Doesn’t that make it more difficult for Lucid to achieve the same level of quality?
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Tesla's single-screen software was terrible in 2018, when I bought my Model 3. It may be helpful but not sufficient.
 
LVAGT said:
Seriously? Well, your opinion suck lol. If you truly believe in a world of level 4 to 5 autonomy and it's not safer than humans, I'm completely speechless. The current Lvl 2 with supervision is safer than most people out there with their eyes glued to their stupid phone. But I digress. Good luck.
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Going to keep posting. Take the FSD out of this thread please.
 
Bus Driver said:

When will Lucid ever come out with anything even remotely resembling this?

I’m not talking about the robotaxi thing, I’m watching, just in awe, at the slickness and smoothness, and the “seamless connectivity”, of all the software.

I don’t even know what I’m talking about, or what I’m asking, but I’m really, really impressed!
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Going to keep posting. Take the FSD out of this thread please.
 
gaskiller said:
Yep, Tesla software is the bomb….really good. Issue I see is Lucid has 3 touchscreens, Tesla 1. Doesn’t that make it more difficult for Lucid to achieve the same level of quality?
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Going to keep posting. Take the FSD out of this thread please.
 
DeaneG said:
Whatever the state of FSD now, it does look to be the #1 future feature in automotive functionality and competition.
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I’m not convinced of that, but it definitely appears to be the #1 future feature this forum and Twitter seem to want to discuss.
 
HC_79 said:
Because they’ve had 15+ years to refine the software and infrastructure that runs behind it.
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I believe Tesla has accomplished more in six years than Lucid has in software. We should avoid claiming Tesla has sixteen or twenty years; at any moment, Tesla naturally carries more years, which is unavoidable. However, when comparing software progress, Tesla is six years from its first car while Lucid is measured from the start of delivery. Lucid’s software has not reached even half that span.
 
sri said:
I believe Tesla has accomplished more in six years than Lucid has in software. We should avoid claiming Tesla has sixteen or twenty years; at any moment, Tesla naturally carries more years, which is unavoidable. However, when comparing software progress, Tesla is six years from its first car while Lucid is measured from the start of delivery. Lucid’s software has not reached even half that span.
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Because Tesla has several years worth of data, experience, and foundational software backbone ahead of Lucid. And I wouldn't be surprised if they have far more resources they can throw. So of course they'll accomplish more in the same timespan as Lucid.
 
Need4Sleep said:
Because Tesla has several years worth of data, experience, and foundational software backbone ahead of Lucid. And I wouldn't be surprised if they have far more resources they can throw. So of course they'll accomplish more in the same timespan as Lucid.
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Yes, lets give them 10 more years to fix the lock unlock situation because they have less resources 😂
Also you didnt seem got my point 0 to 6 for Tesla and 0 to 6 for Lucid. Not sure what you mean by Tesla has more data and experience in this scenario, in-fact Lucid has advantage to replicate something that exists.
 
sri said:
Yes, lets give them 10 more years to fix the lock unlock situation because they have less resources 😂
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If you think you can write software that communicates across protocols and pieces of hardware far better than Lucid, you're more than welcomed to write that software yourself. Or hand over a resume to Lucid.

And no, using AI doesn't count. You'll just be making mistakes faster and wasting someone else's time having to clean it all up.
 
sri said:
I believe Tesla has accomplished more in six years than Lucid has in software. We should avoid claiming Tesla has sixteen or twenty years; at any moment, Tesla naturally carries more years, which is unavoidable. However, when comparing software progress, Tesla is six years from its first car while Lucid is measured from the start of delivery. Lucid’s software has not reached even half that span.
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As I've already mentioned, my 2018 Model 3's software was initially terrible. Few features, very rough ADAS, and it needed rebooting approximately daily. This was six years after Tesla delivered their first Model S cars.

My Air's software was better than that, and Gravity's is far better. It's now five years since Lucid shipped their first Air Dream cars.
 
DeaneG said:
As I've already mentioned, my 2018 Model 3's software was initially terrible. Few features, very rough ADAS, and it needed rebooting approximately daily. This was six years after Tesla delivered their first Model S cars.

My Air's software was better than that, and Gravity's is far better. It's now five years since Lucid shipped their first Air Dream cars.
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How quickly people forget……
 
HC_79 said:
How quickly people forget……
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its true.

I recently had someone tell me apple had never made a bad product

I informed them its true, I loved my newton in high school
 
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