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Is full self driving being developed for Gravity?

Personally, I tried a couple of times to like Waze, but just couldn't. It talked so incessantly about things of no value to me that my brain would tune her out completely... and then I'd miss my turn. One of the things I like about Lucid Nav is that it only talks to me when I actually need to know something.

I also turn off notifications for nearly everything on my phone. Maybe it's just me.
 
Hammerthyme said:
Personally, I tried a couple of times to like Waze, but just couldn't. It talked so incessantly about things of no value to me that my brain would tune her out completely... and then I'd miss my turn. One of the things I like about Lucid Nav is that it only talks to me when I actually need to know something.

I also turn off notifications for nearly everything on my phone. Maybe it's just me.
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You can turn off the notifications in Waze at a fairly granular level. For instance if you only want it to warn you about police, you can do that.
 
Saksak said:
Waze has gamified reporting. Who doesn’t like collecting those gems 🤣?

It would be interesting to see the number of reports via Google Maps versus Waze. I hate to say it, but the number of reports I’ve done through Google Maps is zero - I didn’t even know that was a thing.
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I'm happy to let Waze users collect those gems reporting, then I make use of their input through my adult-grade Google maps.
Seriously though, we do report on GM when there is something significant. And bother to confirm reports most of the time. We're just do-gooders :)
 
DeaneG said:
I'm happy to let Waze users collect those gems reporting, then I make use of their input through my adult-grade Google maps.
Seriously though, we do report on GM when there is something significant. And bother to confirm reports most of the time. We're just do-gooders :)
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I do that too in my Polestar with AAOS and native Google Maps. I didn't see anywhere to do that in the Gravity. Does this require using Android Auto on it? I've been holding off until I get a fair assessment of the native software...
 
flarbear said:
I do that too in my Polestar with AAOS and native Google Maps. I didn't see anywhere to do that in the Gravity. Does this require using Android Auto on it? I've been holding off until I get a fair assessment of the native software...
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We do the same in our Volvo EV. You can "participate" in Gravity only by using Google Maps in Android Auto. It's not bad to use., though I'll be very happy when the fullscreen version of AA becomes available. If Lucid ever starts reporting battery SOC back to Androif Auto, we'll have a real road-tripping solution.

Gravity Android Auto.webp
 
9point81 said:
I like both of your takes but I do have to agree with you pr4424 on the use of FSD. Every Tesla owner I know or have met (I go to a lot of car shows and EV events) who have a car capable of the latest and greatest version of FSD uses it almost all of the time. They absolutely love it (and are aware of its limitations and know they need to supervise and all) and rave about it when they get the chance. I rather think that if Gravity, and then Cosmos/Earth/other Lucid platform get a version of this, that many would use it. It's totally ok either way. I'm sure many would feel they don't want or trust it or don't want to pay a subscription (which I think you are correct in that it will be subscription based) but I think a great many people would find the value and use it a lot, if it is implemented well. The hands free highway is indeed done very well and IMO bodes well for the next steps.
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only time will tell.

there are studies that show that adoption rate of even Adaptive Cruise Control, which has existed for twenty years now, hovers at 55%. there are other studies that show minimal adoption of Lane Departure warnings, Lane Centering and other tech.

this is not unique to driving or cars; adoption rate of Home Automation, for instance, is abysmal in a family setting. the man automates everything just so; but the wife or the kids have no time for it and they are doing things old-school.

there are studies that have found that even high-end coffee makers with their multiple settings and incredible promised quality are not used in a family of multiple adults. the K-Cup or the old coffee pot still reigns supreme.

finally, operating system after operating systems have come on Windows or Macs and tried to give the users better funcitonality, automation, security and file management; only to find, people are still using stupid passwords, handwritten passwords stowed away in a note book somewhere, needless copy and paste, old-school searches etc.

i just hope that all of this crazy expenditure in the auto industry are not found to be misguided.
 
debsen63 said:
this is not unique to driving or cars; adoption rate of Home Automation, for instance, is abysmal in a family setting. the man automates everything just so; but the wife or the kids have no time for it and they are doing things old-school.
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Ya know....there are many of us out there that value our privacy and just don't want any devices in our house that listen in or video us...who knows where your data ends up?

And speaking of privacy, it's absolutely terrifying how ready the younger generation seems to be to accept businesses that don't accept cash. You really do NOT want to live in an America with no cash!! A society that gives up freedom for "convenience" or "safety" will lose all of the above.
 
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I know a lot of folks with Teslas that don't use FSD. I think there won't be broad adoption until we reach L3/L4. While I feel less stressed when using DDPro, I think a lot of people don't see the value if they still feel like they have to pay attention.
 
Only 14% of Teslas subscribe to FSD. It's too expensive. For us here buying brand new Lucids, maybe $100/month is not bad, but for most people leasing cheaper Model 3/Ys, the FSD subscription alone is 20% of the monthly cost of the car. And that's forever!

Besides being too expensive, Tesla is notorious for bait and switch. They will jack up the price in the first opportunity.
 
Hammerthyme said:
I might be a boomer. No problem paying for the car, but a monthly subscription to use certain features is going to be a tough sell.
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While I agree with you on something like what BMW almost did by wanting to charge subscription for heated seats, developing and maintaining FSD is phenomenally expensive. We all understand that the high cost for Dream Drive Pro is not just what it cost for the lidar and other extra sensors. It is helping to pay for the development and maintenance of current and future ADAS. At least with the subscription model, you get what you pay for as opposed to what Lucid did for early DDP adopters with the Air who paid $10,000 for promised features that took forever to come and still have not gotten to the level most people felt was promised or hinted at. I paid a high initial cost for the currently disappointing HUD on my Gravity and might have preferred to have a subscription model. Charge me $10 per month for the basic current functionality and then when the Augmented Reality that has been promised finally shows up, up the monthly to $20.

I have a feeling that self driving ADAS on the upcoming Cosmos will probably be subscription based. Maybe a free year or two at purchase and then subscription. Ford, GM, Tesla and Rivian are already doing this, so seems to be the trend.
 
From several of my friends, once they moved to FSD, they felt they couldn’t live without it (exaggeration, but telling). I hate subscriptions, but I’d probably pay for it (depending on monthly price, of course).

Hammerthyme said:
I might be a boomer. No problem paying for the car, but a monthly subscription to use certain features is going to be a tough sell.
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RLead8 said:
From several of my friends, once they moved to FSD, they felt they couldn’t live without it (exaggeration, but telling). I hate subscriptions, but I’d probably pay for it (depending on monthly price, of course).
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Autonomous driving is genuinely extremely expensive for car companies to develop, and so it's entirely understandable that they're going to charge for it. The problem is that they're also trying to accustom consumers to paying monthly fees for their vehicle, regardless of whether the feature in question is actually expensive to provide. The whole BMW heated seats thing is an example of that.
 
Hammerthyme said:
I might be a boomer. No problem paying for the car, but a monthly subscription to use certain features is going to be a tough sell.
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RLead8 said:
From several of my friends, once they moved to FSD, they felt they couldn’t live without it (exaggeration, but telling). I hate subscriptions, but I’d probably pay for it (depending on monthly price, of course).
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I for one am happy FSD will be a subscription because then I have the option not to subscribe! This car is genuinely fun to drive and I enjoy that.
If HUD was a subscription there'd still be this useless unwanted rectangle reflection on my windshield so that one doesn't work as well. I stand with OOS Kyle on passing on the tech pkg.
 
debsen63 said:
finally, operating system after operating systems have come on Windows or Macs and tried to give the users better funcitonality, automation, security and file management; only to find, people are still using stupid passwords, handwritten passwords stowed away in a note book somewhere, needless copy and paste, old-school searches etc.
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When companies introduce advanced capabilities, and users don't adopt those capabilities, that is the fault of the companies, not the user. It is completely understandable that users eschew complex passwords, hate changing them all the time and resort to writing them down. How much complexity do we want in our daily lives for things that aren't really that important to us?
 
Bdr100 said:
While I agree with you on something like what BMW almost did by wanting to charge subscription for heated seats, developing and maintaining FSD is phenomenally expensive. We all understand that the high cost for Dream Drive Pro is not just what it cost for the lidar and other extra sensors. It is helping to pay for the development and maintenance of current and future ADAS. At least with the subscription model, you get what you pay for as opposed to what Lucid did for early DDP adopters with the Air who paid $10,000 for promised features that took forever to come and still have not gotten to the level most people felt was promised or hinted at. I paid a high initial cost for the currently disappointing HUD on my Gravity and might have preferred to have a subscription model. Charge me $10 per month for the basic current functionality and then when the Augmented Reality that has been promised finally shows up, up the monthly to $20.

I have a feeling that self driving ADAS on the upcoming Cosmos will probably be subscription based. Maybe a free year or two at purchase and then subscription. Ford, GM, Tesla and Rivian are already doing this, so seems to be the trend.
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You need to add a zero to that monthly subscription fee
 
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Saksak said:
Waze has gamified reporting. Who doesn’t like collecting those gems 🤣?

It would be interesting to see the number of reports via Google Maps versus Waze. I hate to say it, but the number of reports I’ve done through Google Maps is zero - I didn’t even know that was a thing.
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In all seriousness, I STILL report more in Waze because of those gems even though you get nothing for them anymore. I wish they’d bring back some of the free rewards with better car icons, etc.
 
hwy17er said:
I for one am happy FSD will be a subscription because then I have the option not to subscribe! This car is genuinely fun to drive and I enjoy that.
If HUD was a subscription there'd still be this useless unwanted rectangle reflection on my windshield so that one doesn't work as well. I stand with OOS Kyle on passing on the tech pkg.
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The only package we skipped on our Gravity
 
mfdutra said:
Only 14% of Teslas subscribe to FSD. It's too expensive. For us here buying, you'rebrand new Lucids, maybe $100/month is not bad, but for most people leasing cheaper Model 3/Ys, the FSD subscription alone is 20% of the monthly cost of the car. And that's forever!

Besides being too expensive, Tesla is notorious for bait and switch. They will jack up the price in the first opportunity.
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It depends on how you look at it. For some, myself, FSD is the only reason to buy a Tesla. It's that good. Otherwise, you're driving an inexpensively poorly built car that shouldn't be worth more than $25k. FSD is what makes a Model Y Premium worth $50k, even if you have to pay $100/mo on top of that. It's the only feature that gives these cars value. Maybe the charging network? I don't understand why anyone would pay full price for a Model Y/3 and not use FSD. Just buy a Kia EV.

If there was an option for "Tesla FSD" available for another car manufacturer today, say Audi, Mercedes or Porsche, I'd gladly pay $25k for it as an option because it's that good.
 
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