Towing a RV Trailer with a Gravity Grand Touring

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Thought I'd share my experience with the first towing drive with my GGT on a 920 mile round trip from Boise, Idaho to Yellowstone National Park. Overall, this was a very uneventful experience with the GGT performing as well, if not better, than my previous Tesla X or my wife's Cadillac Vistiq. Here are the details:

RV: 2,500 pound Alto Safari, a single axle teardrop camper trailer with electric brakes
Elevations: Boise is at 3,000 feet elevation. Yellowstone is at approximately 7,800 feet elevation
Weather: wide variation in temperatures during the trips depending on location with values between 45 - 90 degrees F. Very strong wind gusts of 25-30 miles per hour on the return trip to Boise between Twin Falls and Boise.
Speed: maintained fairly constant speeds between 62 - 67 mph.
Car load: 2 adults with approximately 150 lbs cargo
Charging: 3 Tesla SCs along the route plus one CCS charger 110 miles from Yellowstone

Pros:
* Given the huge horsepower and torque of the GGT it wasn't surprising that I barely felt that I was towing an additional 2,500 lbs, regardless of speed or slope of the road.
* Excellent stability with minimal sway despite very high winds at various locations. The GTT's handling is superb even when hauling 2,500 pounds.
* Lucid supplied tow hitch easy to install, though I had experience with this device as it's the same one used by Tesla on their model X.
* Automatic light checks performed automatically and flawlessly upon connection of the 7 pin electrical connection between the GGT and RV.
* Brake controller also performed flawlessly and was very easy to test and adjust.
* 2 of the 3 Tesla SCs I used allowed me to pull into the charger without unhooking the RV. This was also possible at the CCS site in Ashton, Idaho. When I did need to unhook the RV to charge it was a quick process to rebook the RV. The backup cameras in "hitch" mode are very accurate.
* The Gravity's storage space is amazing. I was able to store my Blackstone griddle in the frunk along with the portable charging cable.

Cons:
* My overall dynamic range was 1.53 miles/kwh, only slightly better than the performance of the Model X or Cadillac Vistiq. The efficiency ratings in Trip Information varied between 1.4 - 1.7 depending upon elevations, temperature, and wind resistance. I get 3.4 - 3.5 miles/kwh when driving around Boise without the RV. So, a 50% reduction in efficiency was not surprising as this is common among all electric and ICE vehicles that tow. The aerodynamic penalty induced by a trailer is very severe at speeds over 40-45 mph.
* My major complaint is something that Lucid must fix. All Dreamdrive functions are suspended when towing. I can't tell you how uncomfortable felt after driving with my foot on the pedal for 10 hours. Even today, 24 hours later, I have pain in my right leg. Tesla, Cadillac, Land Rover, BMW, Mercedes - every other car that tows - allows basic cruise control when towing. I'm not asking for land keeping though the Cadillac does allow Supercruise hand free even when towing. I'm hoping for simple radar cruise control on an upcoming update. This was not implemented with the 3.6 update.

I'm absolutely delighted with my GTT. Most of the software glitches were corrected with 3.5.7 and the door locks are much more responsive with 3.6. I haven't had a chance to check hands free driving yet.

For those of you reporting software glitches, rest assured that every EV I've owned - 2 Model Ss, 1 Model X, Mercedes 580, BMW i7, Cadillac Vistiq - all have had their share of software issues that gradually improved with updates. I would admit that the Tesla's might be the least problematic but then again, they're a software company that happens to produce automobiles. The overall driving experience of the GGT - handling, responsiveness, interior ambiance, audio system, space utilization - is right up there with my favorite EV, the BMW i7, that was turned in upon expiration of its lease before buying the Lucid.
 
On the situation of towing, I drove from Santa Barbara to Palm Springs across LA. I have a GGT pulling a 27’ 3500lb very aerodynamic Bowlus trailer. Got 2.36 miles per kWh over 180 miles but traffic was heavy but was going 60mph when I could. I got about the same coming home and traffic was much lighter so speeds were consistently 60mph. Only needed to charge at either end of the trip. I found a sort of pull through charging site around Palm Springs so didn't need to unhitch. Usually I get about 2 miles per kwh for other Bowlus trailer pulling trips. It is nice to get 200 miles between charges. With my Tesla X I would get about 150 miles between charges. I agree the lack on cruise control is ridiculous, something that needs to be fixed on the next update.
 
Thanks for sharing the experience, I always enjoy reading these. That's pretty crummy they lock out cruise control in tow mode, hopefully that's on the roadmap.
 
Thought I'd share my experience with the first towing drive with my GGT on a 920 mile round trip from Boise, Idaho to Yellowstone National Park. Overall, this was a very uneventful experience with the GGT performing as well, if not better, than my previous Tesla X or my wife's Cadillac Vistiq. Here are the details:

RV: 2,500 pound Alto Safari, a single axle teardrop camper trailer with electric brakes
Elevations: Boise is at 3,000 feet elevation. Yellowstone is at approximately 7,800 feet elevation
Weather: wide variation in temperatures during the trips depending on location with values between 45 - 90 degrees F. Very strong wind gusts of 25-30 miles per hour on the return trip to Boise between Twin Falls and Boise.
Speed: maintained fairly constant speeds between 62 - 67 mph.
Car load: 2 adults with approximately 150 lbs cargo
Charging: 3 Tesla SCs along the route plus one CCS charger 110 miles from Yellowstone

Pros:
* Given the huge horsepower and torque of the GGT it wasn't surprising that I barely felt that I was towing an additional 2,500 lbs, regardless of speed or slope of the road.
* Excellent stability with minimal sway despite very high winds at various locations. The GTT's handling is superb even when hauling 2,500 pounds.
* Lucid supplied tow hitch easy to install, though I had experience with this device as it's the same one used by Tesla on their model X.
* Automatic light checks performed automatically and flawlessly upon connection of the 7 pin electrical connection between the GGT and RV.
* Brake controller also performed flawlessly and was very easy to test and adjust.
* 2 of the 3 Tesla SCs I used allowed me to pull into the charger without unhooking the RV. This was also possible at the CCS site in Ashton, Idaho. When I did need to unhook the RV to charge it was a quick process to rebook the RV. The backup cameras in "hitch" mode are very accurate.
* The Gravity's storage space is amazing. I was able to store my Blackstone griddle in the frunk along with the portable charging cable.

Cons:
* My overall dynamic range was 1.53 miles/kwh, only slightly better than the performance of the Model X or Cadillac Vistiq. The efficiency ratings in Trip Information varied between 1.4 - 1.7 depending upon elevations, temperature, and wind resistance. I get 3.4 - 3.5 miles/kwh when driving around Boise without the RV. So, a 50% reduction in efficiency was not surprising as this is common among all electric and ICE vehicles that tow. The aerodynamic penalty induced by a trailer is very severe at speeds over 40-45 mph.
* My major complaint is something that Lucid must fix. All Dreamdrive functions are suspended when towing. I can't tell you how uncomfortable felt after driving with my foot on the pedal for 10 hours. Even today, 24 hours later, I have pain in my right leg. Tesla, Cadillac, Land Rover, BMW, Mercedes - every other car that tows - allows basic cruise control when towing. I'm not asking for land keeping though the Cadillac does allow Supercruise hand free even when towing. I'm hoping for simple radar cruise control on an upcoming update. This was not implemented with the 3.6 update.

I'm absolutely delighted with my GTT. Most of the software glitches were corrected with 3.5.7 and the door locks are much more responsive with 3.6. I haven't had a chance to check hands free driving yet.

For those of you reporting software glitches, rest assured that every EV I've owned - 2 Model Ss, 1 Model X, Mercedes 580, BMW i7, Cadillac Vistiq - all have had their share of software issues that gradually improved with updates. I would admit that the Tesla's might be the least problematic but then again, they're a software company that happens to produce automobiles. The overall driving experience of the GGT - handling, responsiveness, interior ambiance, audio system, space utilization - is right up there with my favorite EV, the BMW i7, that was turned in upon expiration of its lease before buying the Lucid.
Thanks for this, we are debating adding a trailer also. I looked into the pebble flow, but it’s too heavy.

ACC is a must at a minimum when towing. I hope it comes in a future update.
 
On the situation of towing, I drove from Santa Barbara to Palm Springs across LA. I have a GGT pulling a 27’ 3500lb very aerodynamic Bowlus trailer. Got 2.36 miles per kWh over 180 miles but traffic was heavy but was going 60mph when I could. I got about the same coming home and traffic was much lighter so speeds were consistently 60mph. Only needed to charge at either end of the trip. I found a sort of pull through charging site around Palm Springs so didn't need to unhitch. Usually I get about 2 miles per kwh for other Bowlus trailer pulling trips. It is nice to get 200 miles between charges. With my Tesla X I would get about 150 miles between charges. I agree the lack on cruise control is ridiculous, something that needs to be fixed on the next update.
How do you like the Bowlus? We looked at a Pebble but is too heavy. Bowlus is next on the list for us
 
The Bowlus is great, lightweight and very aerodynamic. I took a trip up to BC from Santa Barbara with my Tesla X and the Bowlus. I got about 2 miles per kWh over 4,000 miles mostly on secondary roads like hwy1 up the Oregon coast. Interesting the Bowlus without push technology gets the same or better milage than the Pebble or Lightship when the drive motors are turned on. With the Gravity it seems to get the same milage as the Tesla but more batteries gives me more range so comfortable with 150-200 miles between charges. When the charging stations do not allow vehicle and trailer charging the Bowlus unhitches in about a minute as there is no weight equalation or anti sway bars to unhook. I have the Aeromove on the Bowlus which moves the trailer with a remote so you can sometimes starts charging the car and then unhitch and drive the trailer to a parking spot if it is in the way.
 
The Bowlus is great, lightweight and very aerodynamic. I took a trip up to BC from Santa Barbara with my Tesla X and the Bowlus. I got about 2 miles per kWh over 4,000 miles mostly on secondary roads like hwy1 up the Oregon coast. Interesting the Bowlus without push technology gets the same or better milage than the Pebble or Lightship when the drive motors are turned on. With the Gravity it seems to get the same milage as the Tesla but more batteries gives me more range so comfortable with 150-200 miles between charges. When the charging stations do not allow vehicle and trailer charging the Bowlus unhitches in about a minute as there is no weight equalation or anti sway bars to unhook. I have the Aeromove on the Bowlus which moves the trailer with a remote so you can sometimes starts charging the car and then unhitch and drive the trailer to a parking spot if it is in the way.
Thanks for sharing, are you in SB? We pass through there on the way to the central coast often! If you see another black Gravity outside Dune coffee on Anacapa odds are good its us. 😂
 
The Bowlus is great, lightweight and very aerodynamic. I took a trip up to BC from Santa Barbara with my Tesla X and the Bowlus. I got about 2 miles per kWh over 4,000 miles mostly on secondary roads like hwy1 up the Oregon coast. Interesting the Bowlus without push technology gets the same or better milage than the Pebble or Lightship when the drive motors are turned on. With the Gravity it seems to get the same milage as the Tesla but more batteries gives me more range so comfortable with 150-200 miles between charges. When the charging stations do not allow vehicle and trailer charging the Bowlus unhitches in about a minute as there is no weight equalation or anti sway bars to unhook. I have the Aeromove on the Bowlus which moves the trailer with a remote so you can sometimes starts charging the car and then unhitch and drive the trailer to a parking spot if it is in the way.
also interested in your experience with the Bowlus...have been zeroing in on the Pebble...
 
Thought I'd share my experience with the first towing drive with my GGT on a 920 mile round trip from Boise, Idaho to Yellowstone National Park. Overall, this was a very uneventful experience with the GGT performing as well, if not better, than my previous Tesla X or my wife's Cadillac Vistiq. Here are the details:

RV: 2,500 pound Alto Safari, a single axle teardrop camper trailer with electric brakes
Elevations: Boise is at 3,000 feet elevation. Yellowstone is at approximately 7,800 feet elevation
Weather: wide variation in temperatures during the trips depending on location with values between 45 - 90 degrees F. Very strong wind gusts of 25-30 miles per hour on the return trip to Boise between Twin Falls and Boise.
Speed: maintained fairly constant speeds between 62 - 67 mph.
Car load: 2 adults with approximately 150 lbs cargo
Charging: 3 Tesla SCs along the route plus one CCS charger 110 miles from Yellowstone

Pros:
* Given the huge horsepower and torque of the GGT it wasn't surprising that I barely felt that I was towing an additional 2,500 lbs, regardless of speed or slope of the road.
* Excellent stability with minimal sway despite very high winds at various locations. The GTT's handling is superb even when hauling 2,500 pounds.
* Lucid supplied tow hitch easy to install, though I had experience with this device as it's the same one used by Tesla on their model X.
* Automatic light checks performed automatically and flawlessly upon connection of the 7 pin electrical connection between the GGT and RV.
* Brake controller also performed flawlessly and was very easy to test and adjust.
* 2 of the 3 Tesla SCs I used allowed me to pull into the charger without unhooking the RV. This was also possible at the CCS site in Ashton, Idaho. When I did need to unhook the RV to charge it was a quick process to rebook the RV. The backup cameras in "hitch" mode are very accurate.
* The Gravity's storage space is amazing. I was able to store my Blackstone griddle in the frunk along with the portable charging cable.

Cons:
* My overall dynamic range was 1.53 miles/kwh, only slightly better than the performance of the Model X or Cadillac Vistiq. The efficiency ratings in Trip Information varied between 1.4 - 1.7 depending upon elevations, temperature, and wind resistance. I get 3.4 - 3.5 miles/kwh when driving around Boise without the RV. So, a 50% reduction in efficiency was not surprising as this is common among all electric and ICE vehicles that tow. The aerodynamic penalty induced by a trailer is very severe at speeds over 40-45 mph.
* My major complaint is something that Lucid must fix. All Dreamdrive functions are suspended when towing. I can't tell you how uncomfortable felt after driving with my foot on the pedal for 10 hours. Even today, 24 hours later, I have pain in my right leg. Tesla, Cadillac, Land Rover, BMW, Mercedes - every other car that tows - allows basic cruise control when towing. I'm not asking for land keeping though the Cadillac does allow Supercruise hand free even when towing. I'm hoping for simple radar cruise control on an upcoming update. This was not implemented with the 3.6 update.

I'm absolutely delighted with my GTT. Most of the software glitches were corrected with 3.5.7 and the door locks are much more responsive with 3.6. I haven't had a chance to check hands free driving yet.

For those of you reporting software glitches, rest assured that every EV I've owned - 2 Model Ss, 1 Model X, Mercedes 580, BMW i7, Cadillac Vistiq - all have had their share of software issues that gradually improved with updates. I would admit that the Tesla's might be the least problematic but then again, they're a software company that happens to produce automobiles. The overall driving experience of the GGT - handling, responsiveness, interior ambiance, audio system, space utilization - is right up there with my favorite EV, the BMW i7, that was turned in upon expiration of its lease before buying the Lucid.
Did you install the tow hitch AFTER you got your Gravity? Mine doesn't have one and I am bummed about that. dunno if I can add now or how one does that.
 
Did you install the tow hitch AFTER you got your Gravity? Mine doesn't have one and I am bummed about that. dunno if I can add now or how one does that.
I literally just got one installed on my gravity yesterday. It was easy and mobile service was able to do it at my house. It was about $1500, installed with tax.
 
Thanks for those quick replies. And looks like Lucid needs to install, correct? Damn I just remembered I am leasing!!
 
I literally just got one installed on my gravity yesterday. It was easy and mobile service was able to do it at my house. It was about $1500, installed with tax.
Did that include the wiring and software, or are you just using it for a bike rack?
 
A few Lucid owners were asking about my Bowlus experience and comparing it to a Pebble/Lightship. The Bowlus is much lighter and aerodynamic which gives it about the same or better range without motors than the these trailers with the power drive activated. It also fits in the slipstream of a Gravity nicely so I am getting slightly better mileage than with the TeslaX. The Bowlus weight is only 4400lbs total so it is well under the Gravilies 6000lb limit. The Pebble is 6800 lbs and the Lightship 8400 lbs so both are over the Gravity’s limit.

The Bowlus has AeroMove with electric motors to drive the trailer with a remote to get into tricky campsite especially nice when off grid camping. The built quality and fit and finish of the Bowlus is second to none and is completely built in US. I looked at a chinese built Pebble during a popup event in Santa Barbara, interesting technology but I would be concerned with the reliability of all equipment runs from an ipad. So many things in the Pebble need the electricity to work, the drive system, fogging the glass so the bathroom is not a transparent room, the steps, the leveling system and much more. If you use the drive system for about a 100 miles you don’t have much batteries left for camping. Also they heat the trailer only with electricity so you get one or two days of heat off grid while the Bowlus can use both electricity and propane. In RV parks I use electric but when off grid I use propane and get a couple weeks on a bottle of propane. Also the Bowlus heating system is amazing, silent hydronic heating and heated floors, nice when camping in the fall or winter in California. The Pebble has a fold down bed system vs the Bowlus that has a separate beautiful bedroom which my wife particularly enjoys. The Lightship was a non starter because you need to lift the roof section to use the bathroom on a quick stop.
The Bowlus accents reliability, the system for the AeroMove has been used for over 25 years in the UK, the power systems from Victron are very robust as they were designed for marine use. The Swedish boiler based hydronic heating system has been used reliably in Europe for over 60 years. Reliability is important to me, I don't want to be left having something not work while camping off grid. The Victron based power systems have parts quite available, nothing is Bowlus specific or single sourced. For me the Bowlus just fits our needs, gets good mileage, is well built in the US and is built from reliable parts and has a network that utilized mobile technicials just like my Gravity but the tech come much much faster with the Bowlus.
 
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