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HC_79 said:
I also think dealers are more forgiving if you upgrade to another vehicle vs just walking away.
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Correct. This is how the wear and tear, 6000 excess miles, and two months left on the lease all magically went away... I bough a new Mazda. :)
 
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That would seem to be the bigger issue. There should definitely be a report.
 
BerkeleyLeaser said:
So, with all due respect to one of our esteemed moderators(!), I disagree that the tire is unsafe. I did drive this car, and I drove my family about in it. As soon as that tire damage occurred (soon after I got the car) I went to the tire shop to get it replaced. Bear in mind the tire shop has an economic incentive to say the tire is dangerous even if it isn't. But they stated that sidewall damage is not dangerous unless the metal belts can be seen, which clearly they cannot. In support of the tire shop's contention, I drove on that tire without any further deterioration or other issues for 20 months.
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I'm actually with you on this. One of my rear tires has two gashes in the sidewall like this (you try running into a rockslide on 21s) and have been perfectly fine for thousands of miles since. I similarly had them checked out at an AT and run a dunk test, etc. Unless the cords/belts are showing, it's safe, afaik.

BerkeleyLeaser said:
Also, as I mentioned to Mr. Batteryman, I am not required to redeliver an "as new" car. I am not selling the car back to lucid, I am concluding the period where I paid them handsomely to use the car. Therefore, regular wear and tear is allowed. "Give me back a car I can immediately sell" is not the appropriate standard when assessing the condition of a lease return.
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You're right that you don't have to return it in as-new condition, but the rash does look very bad; that's much worse than any rash I've ever tried to turn in. I can see them charging for that. The tire they should probably waive.

The scratch is actually longer than a credit card, in your photo, though not by much. Either way, the test I've always seen used is a nickel or quarter, not a credit card, so I could see them charging you for that.

The tire though, I think you're right.
 
Accoridng to KBB:

What is Acceptable Wear and Tear?​

Most leases provide for acceptable wear and tear. Contracts often spell out the precise items you’ll either get a pass on or pay for. In making this determination, the dealership where you turn in the car will inspect it. Items they will be looking for include the following:
  • Dents and other collision damage
  • Scratches and scrapes longer than 3 inches
  • Wheel scrapes larger than 2 inches or longer
  • Windshield cracks or chips larger than a quarter
  • Tire wear with less than 1/8-inch remaining tread depth
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By those metrics, the wheel scrape for sure would be excess wear and tear, and the scratch is right on the edge.
 
No way any of that costs Lucid $4k (sales tax? On what?) to recondition. That scratch probably buffs out, the wheel can be refinished for $200 retail, and the tire maybe $500 if it indeed needs to be replaced. Max should be $1000 but I am in the camp that this is all super minor on a 3 year old car and aside from refinishing the wheel it should be accepted as is.
 
I've never been charged for wear and tear but also have leased or bought a new car from the same dealer afterwards. Let's see how my gravity impacts the extent of my wear and tear charges.
 
I just want to say I appreciate this thread. My Lucid Air is leased...and its my first lease. All my other cars have been purchased and then later traded in.

For me I can't see how some curb rash wouldn't be acceptable. I've never had a car that didn't have some (only exception between my "toy" car, a 2001 BMW Z3). Driving/parking in urban and even some suburban areas you are naturally going to have something rub against your wheel at some point. I do get that there is a point where it could be considered excessive, but I can't say exactly what that level is TBH.

I'll be curious to see how things go when I get to the end of my lease. I would say I am about 50/50 on whether I will be buying out the lease at the end. The only reasons I leased this time was because of the additional discounts (I wouldn't qualify for the 7500 fed tax credit if I purchased) and, TBH, I am still a little nervous about Lucid as a going concern. I loved the car though, so leasing seemed like the best compromise on risks/costs in case things go sideways.
 
TonyLieske said:
I just want to say I appreciate this thread. My Lucid Air is leased...and its my first lease. All my other cars have been purchased and then later traded in.

For me I can't see how some curb rash wouldn't be acceptable. I've never had a car that didn't have some (only exception between my "toy" car, a 2001 BMW Z3). Driving/parking in urban and even some suburban areas you are naturally going to have something rub against your wheel at some point. I do get that there is a point where it could be considered excessive, but I can't say exactly what that level is TBH.

I'll be curious to see how things go when I get to the end of my lease. I would say I am about 50/50 on whether I will be buying out the lease at the end. The only reasons I leased this time was because of the additional discounts (I wouldn't qualify for the 7500 fed tax credit if I purchased) and, TBH, I am still a little nervous about Lucid as a going concern. I loved the car though, so leasing seemed like the best compromise on risks/costs in case things go sideways.
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Most automakers have an option to add some form of excess wear and tear coverage to the lease payments. From what I have seen the payments would about $25 - $30 / month over the cost of the lease and would cover about Cdn$7,500 worth of “repairs”. I asked whether Lucid has this option and I was told they do not. No excess wear and tear option is available.
 
In my experience there is a lot of variability between manufacturers on lease turn in inspections. For instance, I have heard of some bad experiences with Audi. Given the expected resale price of a Lucid, the type of damage illustrated here will need to be fixed before the car can be sold; it is just a matter of whether Lucid is willing to absorb the cost out of goodwill or take it out of the lessee. @BerkeleyLeaser, are you planning on getting another one? It would be interesting to know if their charges are negotiable in that circumstance.
 
You can (or could have) had those items addressed on your own as they happened for less. I don’t think their invoice is unreasonable. It’s high, but not unreasonable. You could also buy the car and keep it or sell it on your own. As another post mentioned, if you are getting into another Lucid, it may have been different.
 
OutrightPace said:
In my experience there is a lot of variability between manufacturers on lease turn in inspections. For instance, I have heard of some bad experiences with Audi. Given the expected resale price of a Lucid, the type of damage illustrated here will need to be fixed before the car can be sold; it is just a matter of whether Lucid is willing to absorb the cost out of goodwill or take it out of the lessee. @BerkeleyLeaser, are you planning on getting another one? It would be interesting to know if their charges are negotiable in that circumstance.
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Getting another?! No way. F. Lucid - this lease end experience has turned me from a fanboy into a hater.
 
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