Saw My First R2 In Miami Today

[The_Don]

If winter road trips are important to buyers they are either asking these questions or spending their money elsewhere. Your reasons for not wanting an R2 are absolutely valid for you. But your needs may have little or no resemblance to the folks who are actually buying the R2. And if your assumptions on their ownership experience are correct we’ll be hearing so soon enough as winter will soon be upon us.

I wouldn't be so sure. We've seen time and time again that first time EV buyers have very unrealistic expectations of range.

 

[Leftlane]

100% but my guess is they're targeting higher numbers for the
Yup. I made this point earlier in the thread as wel
Yup. I made this point earlier in the thread as well. I live in the NYC metro and drive to Vermont frequently in the winter to ski. I can make it there without stopping. Just need to plug in when I get there. I would 100% need two stops in the R2. I usually drive over at night after work on a Thursday or Friday, and stopping twice to charge is not something I'm interested in.

I think that use case is probably fairly common for prospective R2 buyers in the NYC metro. People are going to be upset.

No way your Lucid gets over 2x the range of an R2.

 

[The_Don]

No way your Lucid gets over 2x the range of an R2.

That's not the math. You don't charge to 100% on the road. You also don't drive down to 0% on the road.

 

[martinjlm]

I’m now seeing the temp on your first screenshot was 87F!! If r2 can’t get 270 in very warm temperatures, at less than 70mph, and not draining the battery dead, just 0%, then I have no idea what we are debating. That’s pathetic and false advertising. And the real world ranges really don’t mean anything to me unless it’s me who did them myself. Kyle on OOS has a good video explaining why we should be extra wary of these weekend warrior YouTubers posting real world ranges.

Hey, lucid did it too with the 450mi claim. The only 100-0 that has shown that was State of Charge who got 405 without draining it to dead. But I think over 360-370 highway speed driving miles is a game changing range.

You win. I'm tapping out.

 

[Leftlane]

That's not the math. You don't charge to 100% on the road. You also don't drive down to 0% on the road.

So the R2 would stop twice on the trip for what - to add 3 miles each time? You still aren’t getting that much more range than the R2 that you can go straight through and it would have to stop twice to charge - the efficiency numbers aren’t that different.

 

[The_Don]

So the R2 would stop twice on the trip for what - to add 3 miles each time? You still aren’t getting that much more range than the R2 that you can go straight through and it would have to stop twice to charge - the efficiency numbers aren’t that different.

I can get ~300 miles of range (100% to 0%) on that winter trip in the Gravity, more in the Air. My guess is it's between 150 and 175 in the R2. On a 300 mile trip, yes, I would have to charge twice in the R2.

 

[Northpointe]

I wouldn't be so sure. We've seen time and time again that first time EV buyers have very unrealistic expectations of range.

I'm going to go out on a limb and suggest that Rivian knows their buyer. They clearly see an opportunity to sell a scaled back version of the RS1. And by early indications they seem to be right. Whether that holds up over time remains to be seen. Often times flaws become apparent through sales.

As Lucid owners we have a bias towards range as it's one of the most compelling reasons to buy the car. But not every buyer has that same motivation. I have 3 EVs in my household and each one serves a different purpose. One is a commuter, another is used to run errands, and the Lucid is primarily driven on longer trips. Each vehicle serves an entirely different purpose. The Lucid is my only EV that's ever used a DC charger. And that happens about 3 times a year.

Rivian seems to be marketing their vehicles towards a specific buyer, with specific needs and desires. They may not match up with the typical Lucid buyer. But at the end of the day the only thing that matters is sales. And one company seems to be getting their footing while the other is struggling to do so.

 

[gaskiller]

I'm going to go out on a limb and suggest that Rivian knows their buyer. They clearly see an opportunity to sell a scaled back version of the RS1. And by early indications they seem to be right. Whether that holds up over time remains to be seen. Often times flaws become apparent through sales.

As Lucid owners we have a bias towards range as it's one of the most compelling reasons to buy the car. But not every buyer has that same motivation. I have 3 EVs in my household and each one serves a different purpose. One is a commuter, another is used to run errands, and the Lucid is primarily driven on longer trips. Each vehicle serves an entirely different purpose. The Lucid is my only EV that's ever used a DC charger. And that happens about 3 times a year.

Rivian seems to be marketing their vehicles towards a specific buyer, with specific needs and desires. They may not match up with the typical Lucid buyer. But at the end of the day the only thing that matters is sales. And one company seems to be getting their footing while the other is struggling to do so.

Agree, Rivian is not trying to make “ the best” EV, they are just making something to sell to those who like rugged looking vehicles. Their clientele dont care or even understand range/efficiency/space- the hallmarks of Lucid vehicles. Quite evident in how the used 400V architecture. It’s a survival car….not a future proof vehicle. They cut corners, which is good now as they try to become profitable.

Lucid on the other hand is trying to make future proof cars. Unfortunately they messed up the software and service. But the cosmos will run circles around the R2 in looks, handling, performance and range. Hopefully that will translate to a big sales bump next year.

Regarding Lucid struggles, I’m hopeful they are past that, now that software is mostly fixed and service capacity is being increased. As more positive reviews of Gravity comes out after software being fixed, should translate to a big sales bump in q4. R1S had a 7k price bump, making the Gravity a better buy. Also, with the CA EV credit, which came on board in August, Q4 should see a bump from that as well.