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Car and Driver rates Lucid No. 1 in “Who makes the best cars”

I have to say, I'm surprised that Volkswagen makes their list of top brands. I guess in my mind I've been less then impressed in recent years, and I've stopped keeping track of their offerings.
 
TahoeMichael said:
I have to say, I'm surprised that Volkswagen makes their list of top brands. I guess in my mind I've been less then impressed in recent years, and I've stopped keeping track of their offerings.
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I don’t know but my Audi was great

After the infusion of about $15k in the A3tdi fastback

The agt is almost as much fun on twisty roads but far nicer on a cruise. Beats hell out of the A7 for drivers.
 
Aka-none said:
I don’t know but my Audi was great

After the infusion of about $15k in the A3tdi fastback

The agt is almost as much fun on twisty roads but far nicer on a cruise. Beats hell out of the A7 for drivers.
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Hmm, I guess I'm assuming their rating is about the consumer brand, and not the corporate umbrella, but I could be wrong.
 
Northpointe said:
By all means please provide a citation that supports your assertion. For those of us that haven't "ran" any business.
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I do not have information on car and driver, but this was the story about the very well respected wine spectator magazine several
years ago https://wineeconomist.com/2008/09/04/the-wine-spectator-award-hoax/amp/

I work in healthcare and own my practice. I constantly get approached by different publications for ‘best of ….’ listings and awards if I pay for them. All the ‘best of’ listings that you see in airplane magazines are paid for. I’m sure the automotive industry is no different. Lucid winning any of those awards is a telltale sign.
 
watermelonrooste said:
I do not have information on car and driver, but this was the story about the very well respected wine spectator magazine several
years ago https://wineeconomist.com/2008/09/04/the-wine-spectator-award-hoax/amp/

I work in healthcare and own my practice. I constantly get approached by different publications for ‘best of ….’ listings and awards if I pay for them. All the ‘best of’ listings that you see in airplane magazines are paid for. I’m sure the automotive industry is no different. Lucid winning any of those awards is a telltale sign.
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So we’re just supposed to assume that whatever happens at a wine magazine surely must be happening at Car and Driver as well? If this was the widespread issue you purport it to be surely some investigative reporter wouldn’t have stopped with the Wine Spectator award.

And those “Best of” listings you’re citing? It’s commonly understood that those are paid for ads. Nobody is being fooled because the publications disclose that they’re paid for ads. But if you have any doubts on how Car and Driver runs their operation it’s pretty easy to find out.
 
Northpointe said:
So we’re just supposed to assume that whatever happens at a wine magazine surely must be happening at Car and Driver as well? If this was the widespread issue you purport it to be surely some investigative reporter wouldn’t have stopped with the Wine Spectator award.

And those “Best of” listings you’re citing? It’s commonly understood that those are paid for ads. Nobody is being fooled because the publications disclose that they’re paid for ads. But if you have any doubts on how Car and Driver runs their operation it’s pretty easy to find out.
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Do you really believe Lucid is 10/10?
 
There was a video (I think it was either edmunds or motortrend) comparing all of the compact EV SUVs (mache, ioniq 5, model Y, and a few others). I remember the mach-e being the winner despite it being clearly the worst one there.
 
Northpointe said:
Whether I agree with their assessment is as irrelevant as the Wine Spectator awards. Car and Driver likes Lucid vehicles. You don’t. You’re each entitled to your opinion.
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Why feed the trolls?
 
Northpointe said:
Whether I agree with their assessment is as irrelevant as the Wine Spectator awards. Car and Driver likes Lucid vehicles. You don’t. You’re each entitled to your opinion.
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Here is a little Claude research with some links about the auto awards.

Here are the sources. One correction to what I said earlier: Car and Driver's licensing fees are confirmed, but MotorTrend's are less clear-cut.


  • Checkbook.org investigation (the best single source): Automobile, Car and Driver, NACTOY and Popular Mechanics told Checkbook they charge fees to license their awards for advertising. Other outlets declined to answer. It also notes that carmakers have to pay J.D. Power to cite its awards in ads.
  • J.D. Power's own licensing page: It confirms that only the top-ranked brands can license its awards, and that any advertising use needs written permission.
  • WardsAuto (J.D. Power's founder): He recalls Toyota resisting a $350 fee to use a first-place result before eventually paying it. Licensing then became standard practice.
  • MotorTrend: The evidence is mixed. MotorTrend licensed its Car/Truck/SUV of the Year logos to Mudd Advertising, which lets dealers use them in direct mail. But one older source says MotorTrend didn't charge automakers a fee.
  • Consumer Reports (Consumerist): It reports that J.D. Power reportedly charges hundreds of thousands of dollars for survey access, and then a separate large fee to mention its awards in ads.

Sources:


 
watermelonrooste said:
Here is a little Claude research with some links about the auto awards.

Here are the sources. One correction to what I said earlier: Car and Driver's licensing fees are confirmed, but MotorTrend's are less clear-cut.


  • Checkbook.org investigation (the best single source): Automobile, Car and Driver, NACTOY and Popular Mechanics told Checkbook they charge fees to license their awards for advertising. Other outlets declined to answer. It also notes that carmakers have to pay J.D. Power to cite its awards in ads.
  • J.D. Power's own licensing page: It confirms that only the top-ranked brands can license its awards, and that any advertising use needs written permission.
  • WardsAuto (J.D. Power's founder): He recalls Toyota resisting a $350 fee to use a first-place result before eventually paying it. Licensing then became standard practice.
  • MotorTrend: The evidence is mixed. MotorTrend licensed its Car/Truck/SUV of the Year logos to Mudd Advertising, which lets dealers use them in direct mail. But one older source says MotorTrend didn't charge automakers a fee.
  • Consumer Reports (Consumerist): It reports that J.D. Power reportedly charges hundreds of thousands of dollars for survey access, and then a separate large fee to mention its awards in ads.

Sources:


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Yeah, they have pay them a licensing fee if they want to use the award in advertising…..doesn’t mean they paid to get the award…..please don’t spread trash like this…..
 
watermelonrooste said:
Here is a little Claude research with some links about the auto awards.

Here are the sources. One correction to what I said earlier: Car and Driver's licensing fees are confirmed, but MotorTrend's are less clear-cut.


  • Checkbook.org investigation (the best single source): Automobile, Car and Driver, NACTOY and Popular Mechanics told Checkbook they charge fees to license their awards for advertising. Other outlets declined to answer. It also notes that carmakers have to pay J.D. Power to cite its awards in ads.
  • J.D. Power's own licensing page: It confirms that only the top-ranked brands can license its awards, and that any advertising use needs written permission.
  • WardsAuto (J.D. Power's founder): He recalls Toyota resisting a $350 fee to use a first-place result before eventually paying it. Licensing then became standard practice.
  • MotorTrend: The evidence is mixed. MotorTrend licensed its Car/Truck/SUV of the Year logos to Mudd Advertising, which lets dealers use them in direct mail. But one older source says MotorTrend didn't charge automakers a fee.
  • Consumer Reports (Consumerist): It reports that J.D. Power reportedly charges hundreds of thousands of dollars for survey access, and then a separate large fee to mention its awards in ads.

Sources:


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I'm surprised Claude didn't tell you that award licensing is not the same as pay-to-play ranking. Award licensing is monetizing award badges only after a rankings are earned through a separate process. No matter who ends up on their top 10 list, they have to pay to advertise that award - that's the licensing award part.
 
watermelonrooste said:
It is like wine spectator magazine. You pay to play. These ratings don’t mean anything
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Perhaps you mean "These ratings don't mean anything [to me]"?

Can I call 🧦🧦🧦?
 
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