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It’s more than packaging. The hardware differences are real. DDPremium has 24 sensors instead of 32. It’s missing lidar and 7 cameras (7 cameras instead of 14) compared to DDPro.

We don’t know how important those missing sensors are for just lane centering, and how much engineering work would be involved in supporting lane centering with the reduced hardware. Maybe the missing sensors are critical, maybe not.

Even if it’s possible to support lane centering with DDPremium hardware, there are many other considerations that goes into the decision. Product differentiation, customer value, short and long term engineering feasibility and cost, return on investment, etc. - those are all important factors that come into play.

In any case, we are being armchair quarterbacks. Lucid has made the decision and they probably already know the cost/benefit tradeoff - it’s not just about what’s possible or not. And who knows, as @joec pointed out, maybe that cost/benefit analysis will change over time as DDPro becomes more capable.
 
It boils down to lucid making a choice not to offer hands on lane centering. As other posters have inferred, cars with lesser hardware than the Air with DD Premium have hands on lane centering. I enjoy driving my Air but when we are embarking on longer road trips we take my wife's IX (profile switching works seamlessly, apple car key works 100% of the time, plug n charge available on many other networks, route planning is better and of course the hands on lane centering situation). As a consumer it was my responsibility to check all the features before leasing (which i missed the hands on lane centering) so I'll deal with it for next 19 months.
 
Lane centering? Hands on self driving?
I read these posts and wonder what you are talking about. They are different and DD pro is l2 and so is that Leaf mentioned earlier.
Can someone clarify what specific capability you are talking about?
 
illopp00 said:
The Air's steering column design is a bit finicky, because the eye tracker is mounted to the dash and you have to get it just right to get it to behave. I personally have never had excessive warnings with hand-free but it does need a certain person height and seating and steering position....
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Clumsy place to put it. After all that engineering!
 
Aka-none said:
Lane centering? Hands on self driving?
I read these posts and wonder what you are talking about. They are different and DD pro is l2 and so is that Leaf mentioned earlier.
Can someone clarify what specific capability you are talking about?
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DreamDrive Premium does not include active lane centering (keeping the vehicle in the center of the chosen lane), while the referenced LEAF does despite the LEAF's inferior hardware, software, and compute.

On the LEAF, the "hands on" refers to the ProPILOT Assist requirement that torque be applied to the steering wheel when ProPILOT is engaged. The car actively steers and stays centered in-lane on any road with well-marked lanes as long as the driver keeps their hands on the wheel. (Or one hand... or a finger or three works, too.)
 
FYI, A base $25k Toyota Corolla comes with active lane centering. Tesla also removed active lane centering (Autopilot) on their '26 vehicles. There's only the monthly/yearly FSD option now.

Of course, Mercedes and BMW also don't come with active lane centering on their new EVs. You need a $2k (Merc) or $2.5k (BMW) option to get that. Lucid charging $6.7k is a bit outrageous. Especially for the Air.
 
erigion said:
FYI, A base $25k Toyota Corolla comes with active lane centering. Tesla also removed active lane centering (Autopilot) on their '26 vehicles. There's only the monthly/yearly FSD option now.

Of course, Mercedes and BMW also don't come with active lane centering on their new EVs. You need a $2k (Merc) or $2.5k (BMW) option to get that. Lucid charging $6.7k is a bit outrageous. Especially for the Air.
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I don’t mind the premium associated with DD Pro as long as future updates provide Driver Assistance features that take advantage of the extra hardware.
 
A lot of cars claim to have active lane centering. And a lot of them suck at it.

There’s a big difference between checking a box and actually delivering a good feature.

Lucid cars supposedly have auto park. Has anyone actually gotten it to work?

Dream Drive’s highway assist has actually been quite good for me. I know there are exceptions. But I’ve driven many older cars that attempt to do what Lucid (and Tesla) do on highways. And many of them were just bad at it.

As was said earlier, I’m sure Lucid could offer decent active lane centering for Premium, but it would require a whole new software stack for that specific hardware. And that money is better spent on the folks who actually splurged for Pro, no? Given they haven’t fully delivered the promise of Pro yet.
 
Hey All.

This is my first post on this forum, hopefully you guys don't hate me for it.

I drove a 2026 Air about a week ago and loved the experience. I confess to being a bit on the fence with the styling, but it was much nicer in person. Lucid seems to be doing some great lease deals right now. I did check out a Gravity too, but only drove the Air. The sales guy, who was extremely pleasant and we geeked out on cars for the entire drive did tell me that a largely equivalent Gravity would only be an extra $30 or so a month on lease vs the air... so Gravity became a contender (on price), but prefer the Air styling.

I'll keep it on topic though, since this thread is about autonomy, and seems to be largely focused on lane centering.

I found this thread because I was shocked to learn I have to drop a substantial sum just to get lane centering.

I'm cross shopping the following right now (and coming from a Tesla Model Y Perf 2022):

- Rivian R2
- Polestar 4 (yep, still some left in the country)
- Audi S6 e-tron sportsback
- BMW ix3/i3 (maybe...)

They all offer lane centering, they all work well on highways including my current vehicle (which I intermittently pay $100 a month for FSD and it's clearly a lot more than just lane centering). It does cost extra on each of them but no where near nearly $7K.

IMO - Lane centering is table stakes.

If Lucid offer a monthly subscription that provided lane centering on Dream Drive Premium I would consider it, but as it stands, this is pretty much a deal breaker for me. I'm really bummed, the Air has been growing on me.

I believe that the Gravity gets hands-on Active Lane Centering in base DreamDrive 2, without needing Premium or Pro, which would be different to how the Air is packaged. If that’s accurate it changes my thinking, since the Gravity is potentially not too much more on a lease.
 
tidmutt said:
Hey All.

This is my first post on this forum, hopefully you guys don't hate me for it.

I drove a 2026 Air about a week ago and loved the experience. I confess to being a bit on the fence with the styling, but it was much nicer in person. Lucid seems to be doing some great lease deals right now. I did check out a Gravity too, but only drove the Air. The sales guy, who was extremely pleasant and we geeked out on cars for the entire drive did tell me that a largely equivalent Gravity would only be an extra $30 or so a month on lease vs the air... so Gravity became a contender (on price), but prefer the Air styling.

I'll keep it on topic though, since this thread is about autonomy, and seems to be largely focused on lane centering.

I found this thread because I was shocked to learn I have to drop a substantial sum just to get lane centering.

I'm cross shopping the following right now (and coming from a Tesla Model Y Perf 2022):

- Rivian R2
- Polestar 4 (yep, still some left in the country)
- Audi S6 e-tron sportsback
- BMW ix3/i3 (maybe...)

They all offer lane centering, they all work well on highways including my current vehicle (which I intermittently pay $100 a month for FSD and it's clearly a lot more than just lane centering). It does cost extra on each of them but no where near nearly $7K.

IMO - Lane centering is table stakes.

If Lucid offer a monthly subscription that provided lane centering on Dream Drive Premium I would consider it, but as it stands, this is pretty much a deal breaker for me. I'm really bummed, the Air has been growing on me.

I believe that the Gravity gets hands-on Active Lane Centering in base DreamDrive 2, without needing Premium or Pro, which would be different to how the Air is packaged. If that’s accurate it changes my thinking, since the Gravity is potentially not too much more on a lease.
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Don't buy anything for future promise, whether Lucid or Rivian. If you are expecting the ADAS to be anything close to your current Tesla, you will be very disappointed. I don't know if Lucid gives a overnight or weekend test drive in which you can live with the vehicle like Tesla, but you can ask. Look at the forums to see the positive and negatives before you buy the Air. Good luck.
 
watermelonrooste said:
Don't buy anything for future promise, whether Lucid or Rivian. If you are expecting the ADAS to be anything close to your current Tesla, you will be very disappointed. I don't know if Lucid gives a overnight or weekend test drive in which you can live with the vehicle like Tesla, but you can ask. Look at the forums to see the positive and negatives before you buy the Air. Good luck.
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Agreed - That's why I didn't buy FSD, just have intermittently subscribed.

Rivian provides quite effective lane centering right now on the R2, no future updates needed. I used it on the test drive, it seemed solid (not a full test of course). It even had lane change capability. So apparently the brand new R2 is already better than the Air.

I'm not expecting anyone to offer FSD level capabilities yet. Rivian may get there, Lucid I'm more skeptical of. What I am looking for is lane centering and adaptive cruise, those will do for now.

Lucid told me I could do a test drive by myself, but they didn't offer an overnight or weekend option (there is one in my area I could rent on Turo).

Honestly, without lane centering, the Air is probably no longer in contention. Instead I might drive the Gravity if it does provide it.
 
tidmutt said:
Agreed - That's why I didn't buy FSD, just have intermittently subscribed.

Rivian provides quite effective lane centering right now on the R2, no future updates needed. I used it on the test drive, it seemed solid (not a full test of course). It even had lane change capability. So apparently the brand new R2 is already better than the Air.

I'm not expecting anyone to offer FSD level capabilities yet. Rivian may get there, Lucid I'm more skeptical of. What I am looking for is lane centering and adaptive cruise, those will do for now.

Lucid told me I could do a test drive by myself, but they didn't offer an overnight or weekend option (there is one in my area I could rent on Turo).

Honestly, without lane centering, the Air is probably no longer in contention. Instead I might drive the Gravity if it does provide it.
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I am in process of getting out of Air and have test driven Rivian and Tesla. I have always owned cars, so driving Rivian did not feel good. It might be just me, but I did not feel confident in R2 compared the Lucid Air or Tesla. Their lane changing was also not consistent. Many times it will not change the lane. I would say Lucid is better in that, when it works.
 
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