Gravity vs BMW iX5

Usually I'd agree. State of Charge just range tested the Mercedes CLA. Its EPA Highway range rating is 315 miles. Tom drove the car at a steady 70 mph and traveled 385 mile going from 100% to 0% indicated.

My BMW is the same too, it’s EPA or better.
 
Gravity beats it almost every category. Except service availability. Germans are still very behind.
No way German’s are way behind anymore. The new BMW’s are getting close or even better and I think will beat Lucid in real world range.

BMW has super reliable software and I think the best entertainment interface of any car, interiors are always solid, their HUD is superior, dealer network is superior (ours is outstanding), build quality is outstanding and I think the X5 looks better than the Gravity, as looks more like a real SUV. Exciting to see the iX5 when it comes out to the US.

One thing about BMW or other German cars when they state an EPA range, you can usually beat it, at least in all the BMW’s we have owned. See if there EV’s are the same.
 
No way German’s are way behind anymore. The new BMW’s are getting close or even better and I think will beat Lucid in real world range.

BMW has super reliable software and I think the best entertainment interface of any car, interiors are always solid, their HUD is superior, dealer network is superior (ours is outstanding), build quality is outstanding and I think the X5 looks better than the Gravity, as looks more like a real SUV. Exciting to see the iX5 when it comes out to the US.

One thing about BMW or other German cars when they state an EPA range, you can usually beat it, at least in all the BMW’s we have owned. See if there EV’s are the same.
Space, efficiency, performance, handling……but agree with you about service. Look at the “biggly” battery that they need. And the cost for that big battery will make it more expensive than the Gravity. Build quality? That’s an easy fix and Lucid getting better at it. In fact, my 4 year old Touring doesn’t have a single rattle, unlike a 1 year old Mercedes that I drove recently.

Range? Any engineer can increase range with a HUGE battery. But that means less space, efficiency, poor handling, more cost. Escalade IQ is a good example. But hey, we have amazing interiors…..

Having a dealership model with more service doesn’t mean the Germans are “ catching up”. Yeah, their EVs are improving, but so is Lucid.
 
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I like the ix5. Not a car I'd get excited about, but it looks solid, has decent tech and is probably reliable.
 
This is in no way unusual. We have owned six EVs from five different manufacturers. Freeway range for each one has been about 80% of EPA range.
In the words of Tom Moloughney at State of Charge, you can go fast or you can go far, but you can’t do both.
 
Gravity beats it almost every category. Except service availability. Germans are still very behind.
The question of whether a one car is better than the other is subjective and depends on the use case and expectations of the buyer. One of the reasons that Lucid struggles with service availability is build quality. Service centers are often doing QC work that should be addressed at the factory. The Germans don’t have that issue and it’s a big deal for some buyers. And saying that a car is better is meaningless if you can’t sell it at volume profitably.
 
Usually I'd agree. State of Charge just range tested the Mercedes CLA. Its EPA Highway range rating is 315 miles. Tom drove the car at a steady 70 mph and traveled 385 mile going from 100% to 0% indicated....
German automakers' cars are the big exception.
I do expect the neue iX5 to be the range and charging speed king when it becomes available in the USA sometime next year.
What will be interesting to me is its efficiency at freeway speeds. The Cayenne EV can already meet Gravity's efficiency in real life, if not on an EPA test.
 
The question of whether a one car is better than the other is subjective and depends on the use case and expectations of the buyer. One of the reasons that Lucid struggles with service availability is build quality. Service centers are often doing QC work that should be addressed at the factory. The Germans don’t have that issue and it’s a big deal for some buyers. And saying that a car is better is meaningless if you can’t sell it at volume profitably.
The point I’m making is that the “ Germans do not have better EV architecture and are not even close” . They are still very behind Lucid. The new iX5 is still based in an ICE platform and very compromised. Same dimensions as a Lucid and almost half the cargo capacity. It has 2 cubic feet more behind the 2nd row than the Gravity 3rd row. That is a a whopping difference.

BMW iX5
    • Behind rear seats: 655 liters (23.1 cubic feet)
    • Max capacity (seats folded): 1,850 liters (65.3 cubic feet)
    • Additional storage: 53 liters (1.9 cubic feet) under the bonnet (frunk) [1, 2]

Lucid Gravity (5-Seater / Stowed Configuration)
    • Behind third row (if applicable): 603 liters (21.3 cubic feet)
    • With third row stowed: 1,593 to 1,591 liters (approx. 56.2–56.3 cubic feet)
    • Max capacity (all rear seats stowed): 3,169 liters (111.9 cubic feet)
Regarding performance, Lucid only uses a 89kwh battery pack vs 141 kWh battery pack to get the same power in the BMW.

  • BMW iX5:
    • Horsepower: 570 hp
    • 0–60 mph: ~4.4 seconds
    • Drivetrain: Dual-motor all-wheel drive
    • Battery & Architecture: Massive ~141–144 kWh net capacity using an 800-volt system that supports ultra-fast DC charging up to 460 kW under optimal conditions. [1, 2, 3, 4]
  • Lucid Gravity Touring:
    • Horsepower: 560 hp
    • 0–60 mph: 4.0 seconds
    • Drivetrain: Dual-motor all-wheel drive
    • Battery & Architecture: Equipped with an 89 kWh battery pack on an advanced 900V+ architecture, supporting up to 300 kW DC fast charging and an EPA-estimated range of 337 miles. [1, 2]

Yes, service availability is important, but that’s a separate issue. If you want the best advantages that an EV offers, nothing beats the Gravity. Adding more bling has nothing to do with EV technology/packaging/performance.
 
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The point I’m making is that the “ Germans do not have better EV architecture and are not even close” . They are still very behind Lucid. The new iX5 is still based in an ICE platform and very compromised. Same dimensions as a Lucid and almost half the cargo capacity. It has 2 cubic feet more behind the 2nd row than the Gravity 3rd row. That is a a whopping difference.

BMW iX5
    • Behind rear seats: 655 liters (23.1 cubic feet)
    • Max capacity (seats folded): 1,850 liters (65.3 cubic feet)
    • Additional storage: 53 liters (1.9 cubic feet) under the bonnet (frunk) [1, 2]

Lucid Gravity (5-Seater / Stowed Configuration)
    • Behind third row (if applicable): 603 liters (21.3 cubic feet)
    • With third row stowed: 1,593 to 1,591 liters (approx. 56.2–56.3 cubic feet)
    • Max capacity (all rear seats stowed): 3,169 liters (111.9 cubic feet)

Yes, service availability is important, but that’s a separate issue. If you want the best advantages that an EV offers, nothing beats the Gravity. Adding more bling has nothing to do with EV technology.
BMW is giving people what they want. Being better on paper doesn’t matter if it doesn’t translate to sales. Buyers are likely going to be indifferent when it comes to the platform a vehicle is built on. BMW is leaning into the familiarity and brand loyalty customers have with the X3 and X5. What you see as a deficiency is a very deliberate strategy. Produce EV’s that incorporate features and technologies that buyers want and are willing to pay for. And it’s resonating with buyers. BMW can’t keep up with the demand of the IX3 and will likely see a similar response to the IX5. At the end of the day the only objective measurement that matters is sales.
 
...Produce EV’s that incorporate features and technologies that buyers want and are willing to pay for. And it’s resonating with buyers. BMW can’t keep up with the demand of the IX3 and will likely see a similar response to the IX5. At the end of the day the only objective measurement that matters is sales.
Apparently Volvo is in the same position with the EX60, sales vastly exceeding expectations.
 
My wife has a new X6 (obviously not EV but posting for BMW ownership info) that gets 600 mile range on a full tank, averages about 26 mpg on road trips, has hands free driving on the freeway that is fantastic, great software, excellent UI and infotainment, gorgeous interior, plenty of power, and an established dealership network everywhere. I am sure the iX5 will sell like hotcakes, just like the iX3, because it is a true luxury experience that doesn’t ask its owners to make any compromises.

Unless you live next to a Lucid SC, you will not be enjoying a true luxury experience. The tagline choice early on was an unfortunate one for Lucid for sure.
 
BMW is giving people what they want. Being better on paper doesn’t matter if it doesn’t translate to sales. Buyers are likely going to be indifferent when it comes to the platform a vehicle is built on. BMW is leaning into the familiarity and brand loyalty customers have with the X3 and X5. What you see as a deficiency is a very deliberate strategy. Produce EV’s that incorporate features and technologies that buyers want and are willing to pay for. And it’s resonating with buyers. BMW can’t keep up with the demand of the IX3 and will likely see a similar response to the IX5. At the end of the day the only objective measurement that matters is sales.
We are talking about about different things. What im saying is BMW is still very behind EV tech when it comes to Lucid. Giving people what they want doesn’t mean they have better tech. Tesla is only 400V, doesn’t mean they have better EV drivetrain/packaging/efficiency.

No one beats Lucid in EV tech. Not even Tesla,
 
I test drove an iX3 a few weeks ago when I took my X5 for yearly service. It's nice, but not my cup of tea; interior looks like a children's indoor playground. The iX5 is definitely a step up from iX3, but I'd never consider it over the GGT. It's space execution is not good. The Hood opens to some kind of recess; it's NOT A FRUNK. Who's putting groceries there! I use my GGT Frunk all the time.

Anyway, cannot wait to replace the X5 with a Cosmos. Plus, I have an old grudge with my local BMW Dealership (and all Car Dealerships in general). They sold me a worthless $3,000 wheel and tire insurance plan in 2021 (should've read the fine print) - when my wheels were damaged in a car accident, the wheel insurance refused to pay because the damage was "cosmetic" and wheels were still structurally okay. What a load of cow manure!
 
My wife has a new X6 (obviously not EV but posting for BMW ownership info) that gets 600 mile range on a full tank, averages about 26 mpg on road trips, has hands free driving on the freeway that is fantastic, great software, excellent UI and infotainment, gorgeous interior, plenty of power, and an established dealership network everywhere. I am sure the iX5 will sell like hotcakes, just like the iX3, because it is a true luxury experience that doesn’t ask its owners to make any compromises.

Unless you live next to a Lucid SC, you will not be enjoying a true luxury experience. The tagline choice early on was an unfortunate one for Lucid for sure.
Yes, agree, you need to be reasonably near a service center when you buy any automobile. Of course Germans will sell more EVs initially…..they have more service centers …..

But, please note, Lucid Air sold more than any other luxury EV sedan including the i7. Even though BMW service centers are all over the place.
 
BMW has super reliable software
So they really though? I'm in a rental ICE BMW right now while my AT is in for service and I've not been terribly impressed with the software reliability.

The wireless charger, if I put my phone on it, pops up with a message every 30 seconds telling me not to put any payment cards on it.

And the speed limit warning dings and pops up as soon as I hit 6mph (yes, 6, not 60) even though I have that feature turned off.

It also reads every single speed limit sign as 10 or 15mph slower than the sign actually is.

So I guess from the standpoint of "it's reliably wrong" you could say it's reliable...
 
I test drove an iX3 a few weeks ago when I took my X5 for yearly service. It's nice, but not my cup of tea; interior looks like a children's indoor playground. The iX5 is definitely a step up from iX3, but I'd never consider it over the GGT. It's space execution is not good. The Hood opens to some kind of recess; it's NOT A FRUNK. Who's putting groceries there! I use my GGT Frunk all the time.

Anyway, cannot wait to replace the X5 with a Cosmos. Plus, I have an old grudge with my local BMW Dealership (and all Car Dealerships in general). They sold me a worthless $3,000 wheel and tire insurance plan in 2021 (should've read the fine print) - when my wheels were damaged in a car accident, the wheel insurance refused to pay because the damage was "cosmetic" and wheels were still structurally okay. What a load of cow manure!
Yeah, the useless stuff that dealers like to lard up a sale with is really annoying. Just one of the reasons that many people have a viscerally negative reaction to the traditional dealerships. I'd be thrilled if Lucid had a much more robust service network, but I'm happy to skip the dealership sales model.
 
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