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FranzvonMunchen said:
Please do yourself a favor and change to the NACS Left rear or front right.
Your stock will soar as the Air is almost perfect.
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I doubt the stock will soar as a result of that one change, but I would imagine it will happen in 2027.
 
I prefer it where it is, but I suspect it'll move eventually if they ever do a significant revamp of the Air. Though I'm not sure if that's ever actually going to happen.
 
I would imagine it’s where it is because the Wonderbox is up front and is a structural piece and to have it on the side of the driver for easier access.
 
I get in a lot of trouble on Tesla sites when I say this. May as well be consistent...

Why are people so concerned about the location of the charge port? The whole assumption that anything other than rear left side is "wrong" because of the difficulty it causes when using Tesla Superchargers. Why is that? Because Tesla V1 and V2 chargers have very short cables. If the cables were longer, as they are in V4 (not sure about V3) it would be a NON-ISSUE. Ever notice that with gas cars, it doesn't matter which side the filler door is on? Most gas pump lanes are pull through so it's up to the driver to pull in in a way that is most convenient. And even if the driver pulls in "wrong", the hoses are long enough to reach the other side.

So what's simpler...every automaker in the world comply with Tesla's placement of the charge port or Tesla update their SuperChargers with slightly longer cables? In some cases the situation could be alleviated by simply repainting the lane lines to place the charger in a more central position in the stall. BTW - iONNA and Pilot / Flying J are both including pull-thru stalls particularly for drivers who are towing. Otherwise drivers would have to decouple their load before charging.

Now, on the Tesla sites, if I haven't already sent members into a mild rage for challenging the wisdom of Tesla, the next thing I state usually tends to send them over the top. Fingers crossed...here goes.

WHY did Tesla put the charge port where it is? According to a former high ranking Tesla engineering director who was working at another EV company, the port was originally placed somewhere else, but when Elon Musk drove a prototype home the previous location didn't work well with where the car was parked in his garage so he asked that it be moved to the rear left location. No, the person who told me this was not Peter Rawlinson. Different ex-Tesla engineering executive.
 
doubletwist said:
I prefer it where it is, but I suspect it'll move eventually if they ever do a significant revamp of the Air. Though I'm not sure if that's ever actually going to happen.
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Word on the street in vehicle forecasting circles is that sedans are making a comeback, particularly in luxury segments, so there is hope. GM has confirmed the return of a next gen Cadillac CT5. Not an EV but definitely a lux sedan. Alongside the CT5 GM is expected to build a Buick version (Buick currently has NO cars in the US portfolio) and the return of the Chevrolet Camaro, possibly in sedan form. That last bit has Camaro World in an uproar. Whodathunk the addition of two doors would cause otherwise rational people to pick up the torches and pitchforks.
 
I guess that I hear a lot of cops miss the good ol' Crown Vic. Somehow the sedan worked better for them, but the SUV is now endemic in police lots.
 
martinjlm said:
I get in a lot of trouble on Tesla sites when I say this. May as well be consistent...

Why are people so concerned about the location of the charge port? The whole assumption that anything other than rear left side is "wrong" because of the difficulty it causes when using Tesla Superchargers. Why is that? Because Tesla V1 and V2 chargers have very short cables. If the cables were longer, as they are in V4 (not sure about V3) it would be a NON-ISSUE. Ever notice that with gas cars, it doesn't matter which side the filler door is on? Most gas pump lanes are pull through so it's up to the driver to pull in in a way that is most convenient. And even if the driver pulls in "wrong", the hoses are long enough to reach the other side.

So what's simpler...every automaker in the world comply with Tesla's placement of the charge port or Tesla update their SuperChargers with slightly longer cables? In some cases the situation could be alleviated by simply repainting the lane lines to place the charger in a more central position in the stall. BTW - iONNA and Pilot / Flying J are both including pull-thru stalls particularly for drivers who are towing. Otherwise drivers would have to decouple their load before charging.

Now, on the Tesla sites, if I haven't already sent members into a mild rage for challenging the wisdom of Tesla, the next thing I state usually tends to send them over the top. Fingers crossed...here goes.

WHY did Tesla put the charge port where it is? According to a former high ranking Tesla engineering director who was working at another EV company, the port was originally placed somewhere else, but when Elon Musk drove a prototype home the previous location didn't work well with where the car was parked in his garage so he asked that it be moved to the rear left location. No, the person who told me this was not Peter Rawlinson. Different ex-Tesla engineering executive.
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There is something to be said for standardization. Sort of like NACS - instead of everyone trying to do their own thing, standardize on the NACS (which use to be called the Tesla) port.

I have a couple watches with winders and pushers on the left side of the case. It's a design element, but all I have to do is turn the watch 180 degrees to wind. Not so in a car.

I agree on the pull through style - I think we'll continue to see more of them as towing a small trailer becomes more routine. But, does Tesla have to change to meet the other manufacturers or do the other manufacturers have to conform to Tesla? If it were me, I want something that will easily conform to, from my experience, the least trouble-free charging system in my part of the country. Tesla.
 
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tmichael said:
There is something to be said for standardization. Sort of like NACS - instead of everyone trying to do their own thing, standardize on the NACS (which use to be called the Tesla) port.
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I'm kinda split on this one. It would be nice to have one standard. Thing is, there is considerable volume on the road already with both NACS and CCS1. The other thing to consider is that new development in charging output and speed seems to occur faster with CCS1. There are already 350 kW and 400 kW chargers available with CCS1, as well as higher amperage. Most SuperChargers are 125 kW or 250 kW with a few 325 kW in rollout mode now.
 
My loaner Gravity has NACS but the damn Tesla chargers here don’t charge lucid. And EA doesn’t fit now

Honestly I think the Air setup was perfect. EA is plenty reliable and it’s easy to get the car oriented when it’s right there front left.
 
martinjlm said:
I'm kinda split on this one. It would be nice to have one standard. Thing is, there is considerable volume on the road already with both NACS and CCS1. The other thing to consider is that new development in charging output and speed seems to occur faster with CCS1. There are already 350 kW and 400 kW chargers available with CCS1, as well as higher amperage. Most SuperChargers are 125 kW or 250 kW with a few 325 kW in rollout mode now.
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Absolutely agree! 100%! Design-wise, I don't mind where the charge port is - I love being able to charge at whatever location I want to, but don't want to have to put up with trying to remember which side my wife's Polestar charging port is versus my Gravity. (The are both on driver's side, in back. Whew! :)
 
tmichael said:
There is something to be said for standardization. Sort of like NACS - instead of everyone trying to do their own thing, standardize on the NACS (which use to be called the Tesla) port.
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Standardization of the plug/interface itself should, and will happen.

The location doesn't matter nearly as much.

The only way it matters is if roadside plugs start becoming common in cities. I find it unlikely in US, because we, as a nation, are stupid, but should that finally happen, then standardizing placement in the right side makes some sense for left-hand-drive countries like the US. Even then, front/rear would still make little difference.

Then again, given the incredible efficiency Porsche is achieving with their wireless charging solution (which by the way is not proprietary, and uses open standards), I foresee a day when it really won't matter where the port is, if we even still have them at all.
 
socktucker said:
My loaner Gravity has NACS but the damn Tesla chargers here don’t charge lucid. And EA doesn’t work.
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Tesla strutting it's stuff and EA being EA!
 
socktucker said:
My loaner Gravity has NACS but the damn Tesla chargers here don’t charge lucid. And EA doesn’t fit now
Honestly I think the Air setup was perfect. EA is plenty reliable and it’s easy to get the car oriented when it’s right there front left.
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Did the Gravity loaner not have charging adapters?
Many come from owning a Tesla, so already have garage L2 charging arranged for the back left corner of their car.
 
DeaneG said:
Did the Gravity loaner not have charging adapters?
Many come from owning a Tesla, so already have garage L2 charging arranged for the back left corner of their car.
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My Tesla garage wall chargers are in middle of back wall. My wife backs in with Polestar, I pull in with Gravity. Works fine and our ingress/egress leave the most space possible for each driver.

OK, "back in", "pull in" and other jokes may begin, now.... o_O
 
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DeaneG said:
Did the Gravity loaner not have charging adapters?
Many come from owning a Tesla, so already have garage L2 charging arranged for the back left corner of their car.
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Nope. But I had one for my Tesla. They sent a new NACS charger in the trunk but I felt like I just use my own adapter no need to open their new one and cost them even more money.
 
I’m not sure where to post this so will try here. I’ve had my AT for nearly a year. Lately I have been unable to schedule charging. I set it for 12:30 AM when rates are cheaper. It immediately starts charging, not waiting until the scheduled time. I stop the charging, continue with the attempted 12:30 start, go to bed, and it never charges. I’ve done a recent reboot without any correction.
I’ve not had any problem until the past few weeks. Thoughts?
 
JVSB said:
I’m not sure where to post this so will try here. I’ve had my AT for nearly a year. Lately I have been unable to schedule charging. I set it for 12:30 AM when rates are cheaper. It immediately starts charging, not waiting until the scheduled time. I stop the charging, continue with the attempted 12:30 start, go to bed, and it never charges. I’ve done a recent reboot without any correction.
I’ve not had any problem until the past few weeks. Thoughts?
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I've had this problem with scheduled charging working sometimes, but not always. The update notes on the 2.90 release explains that it will fix an issue with scheduled charging, but both the app and the car have to be on the most recent version. I was able to update the IOS app, but am still waiting on my turn for the 2.9 release.

I didn't quite understand the update release notes either. Is the bug when you tried to schedule charging less than six hours in advance? I saw somewhere else that scheduled charging didn't work when you simultaneously had the app open when plugging it in. Anyway, it worked this morning, so I'm a happy camper.
 
Thanks for the information. I might have had my phone app on. When I look at the Lucid App on my iPhone it says I am up to date on my software but the Version is 2.8.30. It is the same Version that the car has on its panel.
I am now updating my phone app so will see if that helps.
Regarding the scheduling less than six hours in advance I have never seen this to be a problem in the past.
I’ll report any new information. I want to be a happy camper too!
 
Not a happy camper. Same problem. Phone app off and not near when I tried to schedule a 12:30 AM start time. Started charging right away. Stopped charging and went back a few hours later and just started charging about 11:30 PM. Basically it pays no attention to a desired later start time.
 
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