How to cut 'Hands-Free' DDP 'Pay Attention' notices - A revelation I had today!

[Buffalo Bob]

Recent improvements to DDP capabilities and the thought of less sensitive notification protocols had me back to playing with DDP. OTA 2.8.30 did seem to help a bit with the 'Pay Attention' notices, but I was still getting quite a few. That led me to trying something that I'll need to explain in detail, but it's really pretty straightforward....

• Take a look at the glossy rectangular cover over the 'eye-monitoring' camera. This is positioned right above the steering wheel stalk and below the main instrument panel.
• Have you ever noticed that, depending on where the sun is in the sky, you can see your reflection off that glossy plastic?
• When I noticed that this morning, I also noticed that my reflection showed my nose and mouth, but not my eyes.
• After getting off the road, I positioned the car such that I could see my reflection again. Essentially, with the sun coming in from above the front left of the car. More left than front.
• I then adjusted my seat and steering wheel until I could see my eyes, or at least most of them, in that reflection.
• Being 6' 2", adjusting the steering wheel was not much help, but I found that I had to move the seat back and recline it in a bit more than my usual.
• With these changes, I could not only see my eyes in that reflection, but I also noticed that I could better see the turn cameras and other dashboard visuals through the steering wheel.
• I then drove from Sedona to Tempe, where I traveled about 80 miles on 'hands-free' DDP without one 'Pay Attention' notice. Not one! (At least until I pushed my luck and tried putting on my reflective sunglasses. )

This process seems to have worked for me. Maybe it'll work for you.

 

[Buffalo Bob]

Recent improvements to DDP capabilities and the thought of less sensitive notification protocols had me back to playing with DDP. OTA 2.8.30 did seem to help a bit with the 'Pay Attention' notices, but I was still getting quite a few. That led me to trying something that I'll need to explain in detail, but it's really pretty straightforward....

• Take a look at the glossy rectangular cover over the 'eye-monitoring' camera. This is positioned right above the steering wheel stalk and below the main instrument panel.
• Have you ever noticed that, depending on where the sun is in the sky, you can see your reflection off that glossy plastic?
• When I noticed that this morning, I also noticed that my reflection showed my nose and mouth, but not my eyes.
• After getting off the road, I positioned the car such that I could see my reflection again. Essentially, with the sun coming in from above the front left of the car. More left than front.
• I then adjusted my seat and steering wheel until I could see my eyes, or at least most of them, in that reflection.
• Being 6' 2", adjusting the steering wheel was not much help, but I found that I had to move the seat back and recline it in a bit more than my usual.
• With these changes, I could not only see my eyes in that reflection, but I also noticed that I could better see the turn cameras and other dashboard visuals through the steering wheel.
• I then drove from Sedona to Tempe, where I traveled about 80 miles on 'hands-free' DDP without one 'Pay Attention' notice. Not one! (At least until I pushed my luck and tried putting on my reflective sunglasses. )

This process seems to have worked for me. Maybe it'll work for you.

Sorry, but I'm giving this one 'bump' back to the top of the heap. I honestly thought that this discovery might actually be useful to some people who struggle with getting their face in the right position for DDP. Anyway, with 100 views and not one reply, it was already buried three tabs deep.

Here FYI is some interesting information I found on choosing sunglasses that do well with eye-monitoring systems...

Top Recommendations for Eye Monitoring System Compatibility:

• Non-Mirrored Lenses: Highly reflective mirror-finish sunglasses often block IR light, causing detection failures.
• Light-to-Medium Tint: Lenses that are too dark can hide your eyes from the infrared cameras, triggering warnings.
• High IR Transmittance: Look for lenses designed with high IR transmittance to ensure the system can track your gaze.
• Non-Polarized: While polarized lenses are excellent for reducing glare, some can reduce IR transmittance. However, many modern polarized sunglasses still allow enough IR through.
• Lens Colors: Brown or amber tints improve contrast and are ideal for changing light, while grey lenses offer natural color perception.

 

[Spin Doctor]

This is indeed super helpful. I'd got to a pretty good place through trial-and-error repositioning, but the "look at your reflection" idea is great.

WRT sunglasses, I got some new ones a while back that (unbeknownst to me) have some fancy coating that's supposed to confuse facial recognition algorithms. Turns out the Lucid doesn't like these at all.

 

[Buffalo Bob]

This is indeed super helpful. I'd got to a pretty good place through trial-and-error repositioning, but the "look at your reflection" idea is great.

WRT sunglasses, I got some new ones a while back that (unbeknownst to me) have some fancy coating that's supposed to confuse facial recognition algorithms. Turns out the Lucid doesn't like these at all.

Thanks for the feedback! I took delivery on a pair of cheap-ass sunglasses yesterday. Non-polarized lenses with high UV protection, a light gradient brown tint and no mirroring. (I don't know about their IR transmittance.) I'll report back on how they perform. (I have nice pairs of Maui Jim and Native sunglasses, both with dark lenses and considerable mirroring, and the monitoring system goes bat-shit-crazy within 10 seconds after putting them on!)

 

[Halodde]

I don't really use hands-free because I keep the steering wheel too high for the sensor to see my face. I don't like how the steering wheel blocks so much of the display when I lower it. And I'd rather keep my hand on the wheel than get scolded if I take my eyes off the road for a second

 

[Buffalo Bob]

I don't really use hands-free because I keep the steering wheel too high for the sensor to see my face. I don't like how the steering wheel blocks so much of the display when I lower it. And I'd rather keep my hand on the wheel than get scolded if I take my eyes off the road for a second

All I can say is that once I got my seat and steering wheel in the right position, I was able to see more of the dashboard visuals than I could before. As for getting scolded for taking your eyes off the road for a second... I think that was one of the unnecessary notifications that went away with 2.8.30. I drove about 80 miles without one such notice, and I definitely did not have my eyes nailed straight ahead.

 

[gavram]

My polarized sunglasses, including two different pairs of Maui Jims don’t cause a problem for me…as tested on multi-state road trips. For me, it’s all about the angle of the steering wheel, where a 1/2 inch difference up or down will either make it work perfectly or bug me constantly

 

[scal_air]

Ah Buffalo Bob... choices , choices, choices. If it comes down to looking good in your Maui Jim's and having warnings versus wearing ugly generic non polarized sunglasses to avoid such - I know what I'd do