Lease return excess wear & tear

Thanks @liggy - you are right, that is not my lease return. Mine was for 3x <.1" marks on the (very) large windshield, and a mystery problem with the passenger sun visor.

Still nothing back from Lucid. I suppose I will call back again in a week. Seeing that emailing the CEO just gets more pushback, I suppose the next step is to pay their bill. It's not an issue of being able to afford it, it's just the principle of it. I would not lease another Lucid without guarantees in writing that this kind of lease turn in was not waiting for me again.

Not gonna lie - this is very disheartening to read. I really hope they eventually take better care of you and realize the penny wise but pound foolish approach here is going to cost them goodwill and business down the line.
 
@californiaboy935

And to answer your question- yes you are indeed missing something. You're conflating the OP's charge with a completely different lease return. The report in your post is not from the OP.

Unsure why you're so determined to defend these charges as continuing down this path will turn away potential customers.
Pardon the confusion @onexcite posted the same message in two threads, so I think my confusion is warranted.

Not sure how me arguing that the sky is not falling will turn away potential customers. Differing views are what make the world interesting. If we all agreed what a boring world it would be.
 
Pardon the confusion @onexcite posted the same message in two threads, so I think my confusion is warranted.

Not sure how me arguing that the sky is not falling will turn away potential customers. Differing views are what make the world interesting. If we all agreed what a boring world it would be.

Your confusion was understandable. Warranted? That's a matter of opinion.

And defending this practice is not in the best long term interest of those of us that want Lucid to thrive. There is direct evidence of it having cost a few leases right in the lease return threads.
 
Your confusion was understandable. Warranted? That's a matter of opinion.

And defending this practice is not in the best long term interest of those of us that want Lucid to thrive. There is direct evidence of it having cost a few leases right in the lease return threads.
To lend you some contexts as to why I’m defending Lucid, here is a Tesla lease return invoice of a friends model 3.
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See if you can identify in the photos what you see reflected in the bill. I can’t, and neither could he. No discount was offered and he had to pay. Tesla seems to be doing fine.

Additionally, it seems like getting an invoice weeks or months later is also standard “EV” practice.
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Seems like Lucid’s inspection is a lot nicer and actually shows the person what they identified versus a line item. He also said a debt collection agency was who he worked with when disputing and not Tesla, so maybe it seems less involved if Lucid just took their name off the financial services side of BofA.

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Has anyone asked Lucid for a complete documentation of what constitutes normal wear and tear? I have been through the current info on the website regarding wear and tear, and it seems like many of the things (ex)customers are being charged for are within what should be considered normal wear and tear.

This is a helpful thread, because it shapes my strategy for turning in my car at lease end (in three years!).
 
As a shareholder and potential lessee I am finding this thread to be pretty scary.

I have a vested interest in the company doing well but the OP’s windshield charge seems totally egregious to me.

Hiring 3rd party extortionists to trump up lease return charges is not the way.
every leasing company hires third party inspectors. the windshield charge is not unusual, but some of the other ticky tack charges are a bit egregious
 
I returned my Air GT to the Lucid service center a month ago. I recently received a lease termination invoice with a charge of $1,375 for excess wear. However, the link provided on the invoice to review the vehicle condition report doesn't work.
I called to request the report, and they promised to email it to me within 48 hours, but I never received it. I followed up with another call—still no email. I called Lucid customer service again and was transferred to Lucid Financial Services / Bank of America, but after multiple calls, I still haven’t received any email or documentation. I also sent an email to Lucid Customer Care with all the details, but have received no response so far.

At this point, I'm trying to figure out how to get someone from Lucid to take this seriously. Does anyone have suggestions on how to dispute the charge effectively? Is filing a complaint with the BBB worth it, or is it just a waste of time?
We have two more Air lease returns coming up soon, so we want to be better prepared next time for what they're consider excess wear and tear. Unfortunately, Lucid has lost out on three future Gravity leases from our family—and likely more from our friends and business associates based on this experience.
I’m a new owner having issues with the standard tech and car glitches. Came on this forum which was semi helpful but clearly reminded me that I need to expect these things because it’s a start up and early adopter type of car. Had the worse charging experience. Contacted my sales guy at the Costa Mesa shop and the guy who walked me through the car. No response. And now I’m reading all of these comments and experiences with the lease return. I hope they figure it out by the time I have to return because this is definitely not been a luxury experience. Thx for posting! I’m glad you are telling your friends and I would even put the review on google, Yelp or wherever there are other reviews.
 
I’m a new owner having issues with the standard tech and car glitches. Came on this forum which was semi helpful but clearly reminded me that I need to expect these things because it’s a start up and early adopter type of car. Had the worse charging experience. Contacted my sales guy at the Costa Mesa shop and the guy who walked me through the car. No response. And now I’m reading all of these comments and experiences with the lease return. I hope they figure it out by the time I have to return because this is definitely not been a luxury experience. Thx for posting! I’m glad you are telling your friends and I would even put the review on google, Yelp or wherever there are other reviews.
I’d try reaching out to customer care versus the sales rep. You can find the number for customer care in the Lucid app. They’ll be able to help you and have always given me and others I know great service and support.
 
leased cars:

The deal:

rent the car for a couple of years.
only then find out what it costs.
you don't own the car
you have no say in how the owner of the car evaluates the "wear and tear" = it's their car, and you signed the papers after letting your lawyer / financial advisor read them.

Closing the deal:
actual price is revealed
the owner will sell you the used car you don't want for a non-negotiable price.
or
the owner will take the used car away, for a non-negotiable price.


caveat emptor
 
leased cars:

The deal:

rent the car for a couple of years.
only then find out what it costs.
you don't own the car
you have no say in how the owner of the car evaluates the "wear and tear" = it's their car, and you signed the papers after letting your lawyer / financial advisor read them.

Closing the deal:
actual price is revealed
the owner will sell you the used car you don't want for a non-negotiable price.
or
the owner will take the used car away, for a non-negotiable price.


caveat emptor
Couldn’t have said it better myself.
 
The Lessee (you) are leasing from the Lessor-Bank of America. Not Lucid. As a lawyer, my news feeds show monthly massive settlements and prosecutions for consumer fraud against Bankof America. DONT YOU GET THEM IN CA?? We are talking about settlements in the tens of millions. I know of no other bank recently more guilty of consumer fraud than BoA. And still, BoA keeps doing it. And now screwing Lessees. As we say in Virginia, why be surprised when your pig only oinks.

If I fault Lucid, it's getting in bed with BoA. Perhaps it had no other options, as a newco. Maybe a quality financing arm would be scared of getting stuck with cars if the manufacturer folder. Thinking leased Fiskers!

On one hand, I basically agree with you guys that the damage charges are high. But you signed up in BoA's private hell. It does not give a shit if you ever get another Lucid. I would not lease a popsicle stick from BoA for an hour.

If BoA is out there systematically opening thousands of phoney accounts for customers, do you think they give a rats ass if you or Lucid complains about a $400 wheel scrap? IMHO, the moral of the story is not to lease from BoA. Any car. If you have to lease, and have to use BoA, then maybe Lucid is not the right car for you.
 
At the very least, hearing about these shady practices allows us to better defend ourselves when it is time to turn our cars in.
 
Hello, I did start a new thread but wanted to see if any one here has a opinion
My lease is ending in two weeks. I got into a fender bender today. Rear trunk, Light strip and bumper are all broken/Cracked. Car is still drivable but wanted to see how this will work. The lease return is in two weeks, I am sure I can get it repaired before that. Should I return the car with the damage and get the final bill from Lucid anf submit to my Insurance or Do I have to do any thing else? I have all the paper work, Its at fault by other party since they rear ended me. So I am not worried about insurance for now until they contest. Will Lucid deal with the insurance directly or I have to deal with it. Any advice?
I had the same experience. Fender bender 2 weeks prior to lease return. None of the constituencies speak to each other so you have to deal with each independently. You need to get the car repaired before returning to Lucid as that will be covered by insurance. If you don’t, I can’t image the “wear and tear” bill you’ll receive from Lucid. LFS/BoA will extend your lease for up to 5 months but you need to ask. If you’re 1 day past the last lease payment date and the car is not returned, BoA automatically pass the $$ to their in-house debt collection agency and you start getting calls and letters. Note however that this does not hit your credit report until you are more than 30 days delinquent. The obvious downside here is that you have to continue paying your monthly lease payment after the end of your initial term even though you don’t have the car. Once the car is repaired, you then contact Lucid to arrange the return, who then inform BoA, and the you’re into the post- return third party vehicle inspection process. Another couple of wrinkles however that add time to the repair process and hence mean you need to keep paying lease payments whilst the car is being repaired: 1) the repair bills are eye watering expensive and so there will be a lot of back and forth with the insurance company (my low speed bump into another car is a $35k repair). 2) depending upon which parts need to be ordered from Lucid, there can be up to a 3-month wait for Lucid to deliver the required parts. Mine is 1 month in the shop already and no progress or time estimate on that front.

Good luck, keep us posted, and let us know if you find any alternatives.
 
I am planning to contact Lucid and LFS and request a detailed description of what constitutes normal wear and tear. I am pretty sure we are entitled to this information.
 
I am planning to contact Lucid and LFS and request a detailed description of what constitutes normal wear and tear. I am pretty sure we are entitled to this information.
I agree, but then NO ONE, not even my wife, listens to me. Perhaps it's like Justice Potter Stewart's definition of obscenity: I know it when I see it!
 
leased cars:

The deal:

rent the car for a couple of years.
only then find out what it costs.
you don't own the car
you have no say in how the owner of the car evaluates the "wear and tear" = it's their car, and you signed the papers after letting your lawyer / financial advisor read them.

Closing the deal:
actual price is revealed
the owner will sell you the used car you don't want for a non-negotiable price.
or
the owner will take the used car away, for a non-negotiable price.


caveat emptor
I have leased most of my life and my wife always buys. I have never, ever been charged any excessive wear or tear with any BMW or Mercedes, especially if I lease another one. Of course, I take great a care of my cars and at BMW/Mercedes usually the sales person would handle lease turn in, so super easy, at least at my dealerships.
 
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