Charging at NACS Superchargers

[HC_79]

Who could have predicted this would be confusing and/or not work well at the outset? There’s no way it’s gonna be a year or three before it’s all settled and all brands work seamlessly. That would be crazy talk.

Agree, it's going to be confusing for quite some time as it seems some automakers are pushing you to the Tesla App to start your session and others like Lucid will bill you through the Lucid App and therefore allow Plug n Charge to work seamlessly when plugging into a SC. People do need to be aware though, just because your car supports Plug n Charge doesn't mean you can Plug n Charge on every network.

 

[illopp00]

Agree, it's going to be confusing for quite some time as it seems some automakers are pushing you to the Tesla App to start your session and others like Lucid will bill you through the Lucid App and therefore allow Plug n Charge to work seamlessly when plugging into a SC. People do need to be aware though, just because your car supports Plug n Charge doesn't mean you can Plug n Charge on every network.

Is this confirmed that the Gravity uses the Lucid app for Plug and Charge on Tesla SC? I have the apps of the 3 biggest charge providers and this with Plugshare has prevented me from having any DC Fast Charging issues other than waiting in line because of congestion or broken charger.

 

[HC_79]

Is this confirmed that the Gravity uses the Lucid app for Plug and Charge on Tesla SC? I have the apps of the 3 biggest charge providers and this with Plugshare has prevented me from having any DC Fast Charging issues other than waiting in line because of congestion or broken charger.

I haven't seen it in action but was told by Lucid that Plug n Charge is natively supported and you'll be billed via the Lucid App (similar to EA). They're also intending on adding more providers in the future. Maybe @borski can confirm

 

[msaunders9430]

A local college offers free seminars through its Continuing Education department on how to use the features of smartphones. (South Florida being a retiree haven, they are very heavily attended.) I've sometimes wondered if similar seminars should be offered for new EV owners, especially when it comes to charging. Especially down here.

So ironic that you should mention the idea of seminars for new EV owners.
I don't want to get too far off the thread topic, but the parallels of ev ownership with smartphone ownership is quite evident and as ev ownership increases, as it did with smartphones, educating ev owners has to happen.

I've read that some ADAS features like adaptive cruise control are now included in the curricula of some driving schools.

As I've been perusing the Gravity manual, my thought was that very few owners ever read their owners manual.
EVs are akin to smartphones. Depending on your phone's os, their are so many customizations and settings a user can consider.
I believe in a mix of read manual and actual use. You learn eventually by doing, not just reading. Theory vs. practice, but you need the understanding of theory to fully understand the possibilities of practice. I digress.

Charging as an ownership experience alone, can be daunting.
Add in the immense experience of ADAS and even experienced ev owners can be challenged simple due to the technology advancements.

Lucid has its Learning Series on YouTube, which should expand to include Gravity information, but what they provide is the tip of a gigantic iceberg.

One significant challenge to consider: liability/accountability.
How far does a third party go with content while avoiding liability for user error.
Smartphone errors; you delete your emails or contacts.
EV errors; you're seriously injured or die. Perhaps for this reason, third-party curricula will cover charging basics and leave other ev ownership experiences like ADAS to the manufacuturers who are already well versed in addressing product liability.

 

[Adnillien]

I haven't seen it in action but was told by Lucid that Plug n Charge is natively supported and you'll be billed via the Lucid App (similar to EA). They're also intending on adding more providers in the future. Maybe @borski can confirm

I believe the Kyle Connor confirmed Plug and Charge at Tesla Chargers was working in his Gravity charging video.

 

[L-Dude]

So ironic that you should mention the idea of seminars for new EV owners.
I don't want to get too far off the thread topic, but the parallels of ev ownership with smartphone ownership is quite evident and as ev ownership increases, as it did with smartphones, educating ev owners has to happen.

I've read that some ADAS features like adaptive cruise control are now included in the curricula of some driving schools.

As I've been perusing the Gravity manual, my thought was that very few owners ever read their owners manual.
EVs are akin to smartphones. Depending on your phone's os, their are so many customizations and settings a user can consider.
I believe in a mix of read manual and actual use. You learn eventually by doing, not just reading. Theory vs. practice, but you need the understanding of theory to fully understand the possibilities of practice. I digress.

Charging as an ownership experience alone, can be daunting.
Add in the immense experience of ADAS and even experienced ev owners can be challenged simple due to the technology advancements.

Lucid has its Learning Series on YouTube, which should expand to include Gravity information, but what they provide is the tip of a gigantic iceberg.

One significant challenge to consider: liability/accountability.
How far does a third party go with content while avoiding liability for user error.
Smartphone errors; you delete your emails or contacts.
EV errors; you're seriously injured or die. Perhaps for this reason, third-party curricula will cover charging basics and leave other ev ownership experiences like ADAS to the manufacuturers who are already well versed in addressing product liability.

I got hammered here when I expressed the opinion that, for ICE owners, moving to the EV environment presented a significant challenge, requiring quite a bit of research and learning. The sooner the EV world accepts this--and works to mitigate this--the better the EV world will be.

 

[illopp00]

So ironic that you should mention the idea of seminars for new EV owners.
I don't want to get too far off the thread topic, but the parallels of ev ownership with smartphone ownership is quite evident and as ev ownership increases, as it did with smartphones, educating ev owners has to happen.

I've read that some ADAS features like adaptive cruise control are now included in the curricula of some driving schools.

As I've been perusing the Gravity manual, my thought was that very few owners ever read their owners manual.
EVs are akin to smartphones. Depending on your phone's os, their are so many customizations and settings a user can consider.
I believe in a mix of read manual and actual use. You learn eventually by doing, not just reading. Theory vs. practice, but you need the understanding of theory to fully understand the possibilities of practice. I digress.

Charging as an ownership experience alone, can be daunting.
Add in the immense experience of ADAS and even experienced ev owners can be challenged simple due to the technology advancements.

Lucid has its Learning Series on YouTube, which should expand to include Gravity information, but what they provide is the tip of a gigantic iceberg.

One significant challenge to consider: liability/accountability.
How far does a third party go with content while avoiding liability for user error.
Smartphone errors; you delete your emails or contacts.
EV errors; you're seriously injured or die. Perhaps for this reason, third-party curricula will cover charging basics and leave other ev ownership experiences like ADAS to the manufacuturers who are already well versed in addressing product liability.

You point about people not reading manuals is why I did have high hopes for ChatGPT/GenAI assistant implementations in cars allowing me to just ask it to demo and explain how a feature works.

 

[msaunders9430]

You point about people not reading manuals is why I did have high hopes for ChatGPT/GenAI assistant implementations in cars allowing me to just ask it to demo and explain how a feature works.

I can definitely see that feature in future EVs.
If you're wondering about it, most likely so are others.

Liability issue has to be addressed.

Whose responsible if AI Assistant misses something? Perhaps the current statement that some digital assistants make when responding to medical or financial questions will suffice.

 

[msaunders9430]

I got hammered here when I expressed the opinion that, for ICE owners, moving to the EV environment presented a significant challenge, requiring quite a bit of research and learning. The sooner the EV world accepts this--and works to mitigate this--the better the EV world will be.

Post the link to that thread.
Curious about the discussion.

 

[msaunders9430]

You point about people not reading manuals is why I did have high hopes for ChatGPT/GenAI assistant implementations in cars allowing me to just ask it to demo and explain how a feature works.

Or car makers incorporate visual demos into media library of car. Online (not in car) simulations with immediate feedback.

Tip of iceberg!

 

[msaunders9430]

I got hammered here when I expressed the opinion that, for ICE owners, moving to the EV environment presented a significant challenge, requiring quite a bit of research and learning. The sooner the EV world accepts this--and works to mitigate this--the better the EV world will be.

There's a non-profit org in my area that promotes ev ownership.
After I get my Gravity and obtain a reasonable (?) level of proficiency, I may join.

They have monthly meetups.
Similar to the ICE owners in the area that have "Cars & Coffee" meetups, this ev group has monthly "Electrics & Expresso" meetups.

Their mission statement:
We empower people on their journey to going electric through community outreach, education and policy advocacy. Our goal is to reduce air pollution and combat climate change.