Lucid will not offer heads-up display on Gravity GT (for now)

[Sadcat]

They want to move people to the DE. I see no other reason. Yet, we bought with the understanding of having the Tech package. I can live without HUD I suppose, never had it, wanted it, but can live without it. But eliminating lighting? Something countless high end vehicles have as standard? That's a cheap ass gut punch.

The GT seems to still have ambient lighting, just not dynamic ambient lighting.
It lists ambient lighting for the Standard Exterior and Interior Features option in the Comfort and Convenience Package package.

 

[borski]

Got the same email and I am disappointed. I wonder if this is a supply chain issue and they can only meet this need for a smaller subset of vehicles?

This is my guess too. Also disappointed, but I assume supply chain issues, not nefarious intent. Lucid has never been nefarious before, and I see no reason they’d start now.

If a supply chain issue, I wonder if they will fix this in the future, such as 2027 models

Also my guess.

Well, super disappointed in Lucid. They giveth and now taketh away. Just got a notice that the heads-up display, ambient lighting and 120-volt plugs are no longer as a Technology Upgrade Package in the Grand Touring. If I want it, I have to order a Dream Edition. I can't afford a $150,000 SUV to get that package. I"m super pissed. Super disappointed in them. I feel bait and switch because the DE wasn't compelling enough, so they stripped out what everyone wanted to made it exclusive to the DE.

Please do not post the same post in multiple places @Kevmark58. This is explicitly called out in the guidelines.

then as demand slows, there will be both improvements in the hardware, better fit-and-finish from the factory, and more options like this being made available again.

This is always true, and always the logical choice.

But: I got to drive my Air DE-P for many, many happy months before other people got their cars. I loved and continue to love my car. For me, the extra time with it was worth it.

YMMV!

To me it’s very significant that they are going to have the Heads up display on the Dream. That means that they need to have to write and maintain software to support the display. They are not doing that for 500 units as a one and done.

Precisely. This screams of supply chain problems, not suddenly a switch to “we hate our customers and want to make them pay”

 

[johnnygadget]

This is ridiculous and no reason for it. They are pushing everyone to go with the Dream Edition. My GGT order went in at 9:01 on 11/7 and had every option selected. The technology package was an important one as I was looking forward to the HUD and ambient lighting (My AT has the dim lighting that came with the PurLuxe interior)

IMHO, The originally offered technology package is a must for at vehicle of this class and to just eliminate it now is absurd. No reason why they cannot offer this package.

 

[xponents]

Precisely. This screams of supply chain problems, not suddenly a switch to “we hate our customers and want to make them pay”

While I agree that the head up display is a supply chain problem, how could the power outlets and ESPECIALLY the dynamic ambient lighting be that? Power outlets are far too common (I think?) and easy to implement for that to be a supply chain problem, and dynamic ambient lighting is literally just software.

 

[flarbear]

While I agree that the head up display is a supply chain problem, how could the power outlets and ESPECIALLY the dynamic ambient lighting be that? Power outlets are far too common (I think?) and easy to implement for that to be a supply chain problem, and dynamic ambient lighting is literally just software.

The power outlets are not a supply chain problem.They are avaiable immediately. It's the only "technology" option available now for much less than the old tech package used to cost.

 

[ChestRockwell]

I am very close to getting a R1S now. It has nothing to do with this option but more so I am losing faith in Lucid.

 

[flarbear]

I'm also in the wait or cancel camp. I want the range of the GT and I want the HUD. When they can deliver that, I'll pursue.

I would have spent the money to upgrade to DE if only to help the company out, IF it also kept the full range or more. I will not upgrade to lose range, even if it lets me keep the HUD.

So, when the call comes in I'll tell them that I don't want the car until I can get the range and the HUD and it's their choice. If they push me, I'll cancel. If the DE gets the range, I'll consider upgrading.

 

[msaunders9430]

If this is potentially a supply chain issue, would they build GTs with the physical space for the HUD hardware to be installed at a later time?
The absence of HUD is not a deal breaker for me, but the possibility of being added later helps with FOMO.

 

[Andretex]

After further thought, I may just take the savings and go with my GT without HUD. I had HUD on my last three BMW 7 and 8 series. I was upset at first my Air did not have it. But, to be honest, I have not missed it at all. So add the $600 for the three outlets, cut $2,600 for not having HUD and get me my black Gravity GT with Ojai interior and 20 inch wheels!!

 

[charleyscott]

While I agree that the head up display is a supply chain problem, how could the power outlets and ESPECIALLY the dynamic ambient lighting be that? Power outlets are far too common (I think?) and easy to implement for that to be a supply chain problem, and dynamic ambient lighting is literally just software.

Now we know what the delays have been about.

Has there actually been any acknowledgment of an HUD supply-chain issue by Lucid? The only supply-chain issue I heard them mention (on the Out of Spec visit to HQ video) was the components to make the rear motor boost the voltage when charging at a Tesla supercharger. I had assumed that was the reason for the production delays overall.

 

[borski]

While I agree that the head up display is a supply chain problem, how could the power outlets and ESPECIALLY the dynamic ambient lighting be that? Power outlets are far too common (I think?) and easy to implement for that to be a supply chain problem, and dynamic ambient lighting is literally just software.

Power outlets are still available for a much lower cost ($600).

Dynamic ambient lighting *might* just be software. Or it might be a different set of LED strips entirely, since not all LED strips support variable PWM, etc.

Your guess is as good as mine. But I doubt they were like “let’s remove the thing nobody really cares about anyway, and ask them for 14k more for it.”

The HUD is obviously a worthwhile feature (though not a requirement for me, as I’ve been perfectly happy without one since January), but dynamic ambient lighting? Whatever, I don’t really mind if it stops pulsing or fading. It’s neat, and immersive, but meh.

And the power outlets are a non-issue.

To be clear, I don’t like this. But let’s also not make more of it than what it is. The only thing being removed is the HUD and the “dynamicness” of the ambient lighting, as the static (?) ambient lighting will still be there.

 

[borski]

Has there actually been any acknowledgment of an HUD supply-chain issue by Lucid? The only supply-chain issue I heard them mention (on the Out of Spec visit to HQ video) was the components to make the rear motor boost the voltage when charging at a Tesla supercharger. I had assumed that was the reason for the production delays overall.

No, I’m just completely guessing. But it seems like the simplest and most likely explanation.

 

[msaunders9430]

Ambient lighting is standard on the GT; without the Comfort & Convenience Package.
Wondering what the difference is between Ambient LIghting and Dynamic Ambient Lighting.
If is the personalized, customizable colors and Sanctuary Mode, I'm fine with having Ambient Lighting.

 

[charleyscott]

No, I’m just completely guessing. But it seems like the simplest and most likely explanation.

No, the simplest explanation is that they want to upsell buyers to the Dream Edition. (To be clear, I have no objection to that tactic.)

 

[xponents]

Ambient lighting is standard on the GT; without the Comfort & Convenience Package.
Wondering what the difference is between Ambient LIghting and Dynamic Ambient Lighting.
If is the personalized, customizable colors and Sanctuary Mode, I'm fine with having Ambient Lighting.


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I believe Dynamic Ambient Lighting is the one with those effects where the lighting would "move back" when the car was accelerating (for example) and other fun stuff like that, right?

Out of sanctuary mode, what do you want out of the lighting (eg: are you okay with it being solid, do you want it to still move around, etc)?

 

[98point1]

Ambient lighting is standard on the GT; without the Comfort & Convenience Package.
Wondering what the difference is between Ambient LIghting and Dynamic Ambient Lighting.
If is the personalized, customizable colors and Sanctuary Mode, I'm fine with having Ambient Lighting.


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Dynamic lighting, which I have on my car now, changes colors automatically. Usually with album artwork on the radio or thru a mood setting or watching movie on the screen. Ambient lights can be manually changed color. That’s my take based on other vehicles implementation.

 

[WeighingGravity]

I think I'm going to be in the minority here.....

I think, finally, this is a smart admission and decision by Lucid - IF and only if it finally means they can start building and delivering real Gravitys to customers. It's finally clear (or at least, it's a narrative that seems to fit) that the HUD has been the gating item preventing the release of the vehicle. I don't think most people are going to leave over an HUD. I won't. I've never had one and I don't really care. I know how to drive and how to navigate, and moving my eyeballs 12 inches for a second to see my speed isn't something I must have. And as self-driving becomes more prevalent, none of us will need HUD. It seems to me like a bad idea to hold up deliveries any longer for a feature that is less than critical. (admittedly the chorus of people on here really worked up about this makes me question myself a little, but I don't think THAT many people are clamoring specifically for an HUD over all the other features of this vehicle.

I disagree that this is a supply chain issue. Of course, we're all speculating here, but it seems amusing to me how willing everyone on the forum seems to be to place blame everywhere but on Lucid. Even if it is a supplier that can't deliver right now (and I don't think that is the only thing going on here) then the blame still falls on Lucid's program and product management team for not having contingencies in place, or being late with delivery of design to the point where supply chain has become the issue. This is life in the big city of new product development. You have to have contingencies. It may be easy to blame a supplier, but the seeds of this were most likely sown in-house.

We'll see in the coming weeks and months. My guess is that DEs will be delivered without HUD but will be retrofitted when the development is finally shaken out. Or, and this would suck and make me re-think my DE order, but maybe they won't deliver DEs for a while. And then we'll find out if maybe it eventually makes its way into the rest of the line. I've had my doubts about certain strategic choices it looks like LCID has made to innovate non-critical features from the ground up. It's cool that they have this patented and brand new and innovative HUD, but should it hold up the rest of the program, when what really sets them apart is their drivetrain tech? And when they're burning cash? (OK, maybe this is "armchair CEOing" so I guess, forgive me for breaking the "rules" that aren't actually enumerated anywhere, sorry) But this feature, cool as it might be, doesn't appear to be fully baked yet. It's the one thing NOBODY has seen in action yet - at every press drive and test ride it's non-functional. If it were supply chain, someone would have cobbled one piece together to show the world.

I think it's crappy they took the dynamic lighting from the GT. I mean, at least offer it for a price?

Anyways, if this clears the logjam, I think it's the right decision.

 

[msaunders9430]

I believe Dynamic Ambient Lighting is the one with those effects where the lighting would "move back" when the car was accelerating (for example) and other fun stuff like that, right?

Out of sanctuary mode, what do you want out of the lighting (eg: are you okay with it being solid, do you want it to still move around, etc)?

I can do w/o the effects and sanctuary mode, so ambient lighting works for me.

 

[Kevmark58]

This is my guess too. Also disappointed, but I assume supply chain issues, not nefarious intent. Lucid has never been nefarious before, and I see no reason they’d start now.


Also my guess.


Please do not post the same post in multiple places @Kevmark58. This is explicitly called out in the guidelines.


This is always true, and always the logical choice.

But: I got to drive my Air DE-P for many, many happy months before other people got their cars. I loved and continue to love my car. For me, the extra time with it was worth it.

YMMV!


Precisely. This screams of supply chain problems, not suddenly a switch to “we hate our customers and want to make them pay”

Then they should say it. Be truthful, not baiting and switching. Seems more like the high road, doesn't it?

 

[Amster]

Ambient lighting is standard on the GT; without the Comfort & Convenience Package.
Wondering what the difference is between Ambient LIghting and Dynamic Ambient Lighting.
If is the personalized, customizable colors and Sanctuary Mode, I'm fine with having Ambient Lighting.


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I'm guessing ambient lighting is what we have in the Airs now, in the trims other than the Pure. When I had my car in for service six months ago, no Lucid loaners were available and I ended up with a Mercedes EQE from Enterprise. That car had lighting you could set to any color of the rainbow or shift between colors as you drove. After playing with it for a day, I settled on a solid color not that different from what I have in my GT and left it there. The color changing constantly was way too much to look at while you were driving.