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Lucid to Use Nvidia Alpamayo

nashvillelucid said:
It will be interesting to see what this does to the entire market. If FSD is a commodity that everyone has and our cars all use CarPlay so infotainment is also commodified, how do you pick a car? What features motivate a purchase if you literally aren’t having to drive.

Lucid going after premium feel with sports car edge is an interesting niche. Rivian focusing on outdoor driving is an interesting niche. But it could quickly be a race to the bottom in the big non-specialized car market.
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Totally agree here. I'm also curious to see what impact this will have on car ownership in general.
 
Sorry but I feel that CarPlay’s days are numbered. It made sense when car manufacturers had primitive infotainment systems and did not have software expertise to incorporate navigation, phone, music seamlessly. Car companies do not want to provide CarPlay and are only doing so due to customer demand. Tesla, GM and Rivian already don’t include it. As more companies perfect their in-house infotainment systems to include everything you might want with CarPlay, more companies will get rid of it as well as Android Auto. Just my opinion.
 
Bdr100 said:
...As more companies perfect their in-house infotainment systems to include everything you might want with CarPlay, more companies will get rid of it as well as Android Auto. Just my opinion.
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My thought is that most automotive infotainment systems will move away from a fixed, canned UX to an app store model, as did mobile phones twenty years ago.
It's what is currently being shipped, or about to be shipped, in the newest EVs from Porsche, Mercedes, Ford, Volvo, Polestar, Chevrolet/Cadillac/GMC, Honda/Acura, Nissan, Mazda, Hyundai.
 
Bdr100 said:
Sorry but I feel that CarPlay’s days are numbered. It made sense when car manufacturers had primitive infotainment systems and did not have software expertise to incorporate navigation, phone, music seamlessly. Car companies do not want to provide CarPlay and are only doing so due to customer demand. Tesla, GM and Rivian already don’t include it. As more companies perfect their in-house infotainment systems to include everything you might want with CarPlay, more companies will get rid of it as well as Android Auto. Just my opinion.
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The biggest thing I missed about CarPlay is text messaging. Both reading it out loud for me and easy dictation. I just don’t see car manufacturers created an app that would sync with the messaging apps on iPhone or android.
 
xponents said:
10B is smaller than I thought it would be, although it does make sense with how much RAM/VRAM (most likely shared RAM in the Air) I'd assume the car has. I wonder if there are plans to make a 32B+ model, maybe even 80B+ models that dedicated robotaxis or other future cars with beefier hardware could use? I would assume that this lets the model think through more complex scenarios and use the data provided to it (every sensor, camera, etc) better.

I'm also a bit confused about the decision to incorporate COT, given the fast reaction times needed for any autonomous driving system. Hopefully, it is "dynamic COT" as seen with some of Google and Qwen's text-based models, and it therefore isn't slowed down by thinking when it needs to react quickly, but thinks about things like a car 0.3 miles ahead on a highway.

I do wonder if I could incorporate this on my FTC robot for an autonomous driving demo! Would certainly be interesting to work with it, and of course it is on Hugging Face for me to use. Just gotta hook a beefy EGPU up with something like a Raspberry Pi, I suppose.
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It depends.

More parameters and complexity in a model doesn't always translate to a better model. It does risk the model "memorizing" the data instead of learning meaningful patterns.

However, I will say, I'm a lot more comfortable in knowing that open-source modeling is being used for autonomous vehicle development. There's only so much an organization can do when working in a silo, and wide ranges of models and applications deployed to real-world use-cases are built on the backs of open-source development.
 
I agree, the open source part is really a key selling point for me as well.

Intel be interesting to see how it’ll evolve
 
gmoney90 said:
The biggest thing I missed about CarPlay is text messaging. Both reading it out loud for me and easy dictation. I just don’t see car manufacturers created an app that would sync with the messaging apps on iPhone or android.
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The Messaging app in Google's Automotive Suite does exactly this for Android phone users, and does it accurately and well. I don't know if it works for iOS users.
This app is or will be included by the car manufacturers I listed above https://lucidowners.com/threads/lucid-to-use-nvidia-alpamayo.14610/post-322207
 
We also now have Google Gemini on Android Auto, which works with our other vehicle, and which I find extremely helpful if I have questions about the car, driving route, destinations, things I see along the way, or any number of other things that the car's native search function cannot handle and that "Hey Lucid" is not able to answer.
 
blagar1000 said:
We also now have Google Gemini on Android Auto, which works with our other vehicle, and which I find extremely helpful if I have questions about the car, driving route, destinations, things I see along the way, or any number of other things that the car's native search function cannot handle and that "Hey Lucid" is not able to answer.
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Google Gemini voice LLM has been great for us so far. We're using it at home now too. We're waiting for it to arrive natively on our Volvo EV, replacing the already leading native Google Assistant.
 
blagar1000 said:
We also now have Google Gemini on Android Auto, which works with our other vehicle, and which I find extremely helpful if I have questions about the car, driving route, destinations, things I see along the way, or any number of other things that the car's native search function cannot handle and that "Hey Lucid" is not able to answer.
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I believe Gemini will also be rolling out to Android Automotive, which is what Lucid uses for their software.
 
The_Don said:
I believe Gemini will also be rolling out to Android Automotive, which is what Lucid uses for their software.
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Gemini will be available to Android Automotive as part of the Google Automotive Suite (GAS). But Lucid has chosen to implement an alternative LLM rather than making use of GAS's capabilities.
 
DeaneG said:
Gemini will be available to Android Automotive as part of the Google Automotive Suite (GAS). But Lucid has chosen to implement an alternative LLM rather than making use of GAS's capabilities.
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Unfortunate!
 
Bdr100 said:
Sorry but I feel that CarPlay’s days are numbered. It made sense when car manufacturers had primitive infotainment systems and did not have software expertise to incorporate navigation, phone, music seamlessly. Car companies do not want to provide CarPlay and are only doing so due to customer demand. Tesla, GM and Rivian already don’t include it. As more companies perfect their in-house infotainment systems to include everything you might want with CarPlay, more companies will get rid of it as well as Android Auto. Just my opinion.
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Actually, Tesla is adding CarPlay:

And GM's stance against it is cracking:
www.thedrive.com

GM Bets You'll Miss CarPlay Less With Built-In Apple Music Support

Apple Music users won't have to poke at their phones to stream music in updated GM vehicles.
www.thedrive.com www.thedrive.com

You're correct that OEMs don't want it because the OEM wants to own the user experience and the user's data.
You're also correct that they add it because customers want it.
But, I think you're wrong that most owns will "perfect their in-house infotainment systems." Apple has some great software teams, and it's a challenge for OEMs to meet that level of sophistication, in terms of both features and reliability.
 
I’m never buying a car without CarPlay….50% of consumers won’t buy a car without CarPlay…..
 
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