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Lane Keeping in DreamDrive Premium - Future Enhancement?

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I have DreamDrive Premium in my 2026 Lucid Pure and I was wondering if there is a chance Lucid could add Lane Keeping feature via a software upgrade. That is one feature that is really hindering my use of autonomous features of this car. My other car is a Tesla and of course that is a base feature in their auto pilot stack. How can Lucid claim to offer hands free driving without lane keeping? I don't need lane drifting warning as I obviously know the car is drifting out of the lane. I need the car to stay in the lane.
 
coupedncal said:
I have DreamDrive Premium in my 2026 Lucid Pure and I was wondering if there is a chance Lucid could add Lane Keeping feature via a software upgrade. That is one feature that is really hindering my use of autonomous features of this car. My other car is a Tesla and of course that is a base feature in their auto pilot stack. How can Lucid claim to offer hands free driving without lane keeping? I don't need lane drifting warning as I obviously know the car is drifting out of the lane. I need the car to stay in the lane.
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New Tesla no longer provides Autosteer/Autopilot/Lane-keeping for free. You have pay $99/month to get that feature.

For additional one-time cost to its new car, Lucid does sell you hands-free/Autosteer/Autopilot/Lane-keeping.

You didn't pay for it, so you don't have it.

I am not sure how Lucid's hands-free/Autosteer/Autopilot/Lane-keeping work so maybe if you didn't get the correct hardware based on price, you'll never be able to upgrade to that capability.

Tesla works differently because it said it had all necessary hardware in every car produced since 10/2016. It's a matter of paying to activate the software/feature. At that time, you only got cruise control for free. If you wanted Autosteer, it's extra cost in EAP or FSD.
 
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Unfortunately lane centering for the AIR is currently locked to DD Pro. I'm sure Lucid could unlock 'hands on' lane centering in DD Premium but they may not have much incentive to do so.
 
DS9 said:
Unfortunately lane centering for the AIR is currently locked to DD Pro. I'm sure Lucid could unlock 'hands on' lane centering in DD Premium but they may not have much incentive to do so.
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Frankly they should unlock it for a subscription fee and make it a revenue stream
 
Both my Audis, my polestar 2 and my genesis did 'hands on' lane centering without B pillar cameras (although my A4 was pretty sketchy with highway off ramps). For 'hands off' the B pillar cameras would be necessary.
 
DS9 said:
Both my Audis, my polestar 2 and my genesis did 'hands on' lane centering without B pillar cameras (although my A4 was pretty sketchy with highway off ramps). For 'hands off' the B pillar cameras would be necessary.
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No doubt.

Even an aftermarket $999 Comma.ai can give over 300 car models Autosteer and Autolane change.

2014 AP1 Tesla could do the same with front cameras only, without others (sides and rear). Since 10/2016 Tesla car models now require all front, sides and rear cameras for the features.

Each company would make a decision on how much hardware is enough for the features.
 
Tâm said:
Even an aftermarket $999 Comma.ai can give over 300 car models Autosteer and Autolane change.
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Not true: Comma does not do Autolane, just lane change assist. The former requires cameras to detect clear lanes.
 
DS9 said:
Both my Audis, my polestar 2 and my genesis did 'hands on' lane centering without B pillar cameras (although my A4 was pretty sketchy with highway off ramps). For 'hands off' the B pillar cameras would be necessary.
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Could you explain the difference between hands on and hands off use cases in this context? Is it keeping hands on the wheel vs not on the wheel? Isn't what they have today the hands off method based on this definition?
 
drb3333 said:
Not true: Comma does not do Autolane, just lane change assist. The former requires cameras to detect clear lanes.
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It's a generic terminology since Tesla 2014 AP1 without side or rear cameras input.

None of L2 system, including Tesla FSD, is autonomous. They all pass the responsibility of making sure the lane change is safe to a human driver.

This how you do a lane change with comma.ai

1. Activate your turn signal
2. Visually check your blind spots
3. Slight torque on the steering wheel in the direction of the lane change.
4. The system will then move the car over to the adjacent lane.

That's a similar procedure for 2014 AP1 Teslas that are still on the roads.

Whatever name you call it, it still moves to the next lane and centers in it. That is the automatic part.

However, whether that is safe or unsafe without side cameras, it's another issue.

If there's no side cameras, the system takes a human driver as its slave as if we are its cameras.

Thus, each company would make a decision on hardware and features.
 
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drb3333 said:
Factually incorrect.
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Your reference is based on Tesla Model 3 which does have both side cameras and rear camera as inputs.

The oldest Model 3 were delivered to its 30 employees after mid 2017 with AP2.5.

I owned a 2018 model and it required a slight torque on the steering wheel or it wouldn't change lane. It might be different with the current AP4.

2014 AP1 Tesla cars don't have side cameras and rear camera as inputs (they do have rear camera but for human usage as a rear view mirror, not as AP1 input sensor).

But I can comfortably concede comma.ai is "assist" instead of "auto."

It's the same to me. Now Tesla requires $99 per month if I want Autosteer (cruise control is still free at $0 additional per month), I might be tempted by comma.ai just to get the Autosteer for $999 once and the "lane change assist" as an extra feature included in one price.
 
My wife’s 2021 RAV4 had hands on lane keeping. And it was missing all sorts of sensors from the supply chain issues. I just can’t believe it’s a hardware issue.
 
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Could you explain the difference between hands on and hands off use cases in this context? Is it keeping hands on the wheel vs not on the wheel? Isn't what they have today the hands off method based on this definition?
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In all of the previous cars that I mentioned, lane centering worked with your hand periodically on the wheel (most were just a torque sensor). So in my genesis i could go close to a minute with my hands off the wheel before it started screaming at me. DD Premium in the AIR has lane biasing, which would basically ping pongs the car between the lines but not keep it in the center. Hands off in my wife's IX (which works only on certain mapped highways - similar to GM super cruise) allows hands off the wheel, eyes on the road. It maintains lane centering, even changes lanes when certain requirements are met.
 
Tâm said:
It's a generic terminology since Tesla 2014 AP1 without side or rear cameras input.

None of L2 system, including Tesla FSD, is autonomous. They all pass the responsibility of making sure the lane change is safe to a human driver.

This how you do a lane change with comma.ai

1. Activate your turn signal
2. Visually check your blind spots
3. Slight torque on the steering wheel in the direction of the lane change.
4. The system will then move the car over to the adjacent lane.

That's a similar procedure for 2014 AP1 Teslas that are still on the roads.

Whatever name you call it, it still moves to the next lane and centers in it. That is the automatic part.

However, whether that is safe or unsafe without side cameras, it's another issue.

If there's no side cameras, the system takes a human driver as its slave as if we are its cameras.

Thus, each company would make a decision on hardware and features.
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Used comma for a long time on my Lexus RXL until I switched it for an iX. I used sunnypilot fork and in there you can initiate a lane change with just activating the turn signal and if there is a car in the blind spot, it will wait till all is clear to commence the lane change. I loved my comma. It could also let it steer while I controlled the accelerator and brake if I wanted to or let it do it all. It does all of this with few front facing and one driver facing camera and by plugging into the existing sensor suite in the car (obviously I am over simplifying).
 
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