It's Tire Time!!

[doubletwist]

I went with the Michelin AS on my 20" Touring. I like them so far. Handles fine in the dry, has no trouble handling a launch control acceleration, and they did fine in the one time they touched snow.

 

[gaskiller]

Just sealed the deal. Option 1, Pirelli P Zero AS Plus NCS Elect. Very similar to the P Zero AS Plus Elect that are original equipment. The NCS is to denote noise cancelling foam in the tire. I did a side-by-side spec assessment of the OE tires, the Michelin PS4S and the ones I'm buying. The PS4S are rated better for stopping distance, both dry & wet, skid control, cornering grip, and 5 - 30 mph acceleration. The Pirellis are rated better for winter driving, EV range, and tread life. They are close on ride quality with the PS4S being slightly better. The Pirelli warranty is 50k, the PS4S is 45k. The prices are $1 apart per tire, but Pirelli is providing a $100 rebate. Also, Discount Tire / Synchrony are offering a 12 month 0% for using the Discount Tire card. I love using other people's money. I just have to remember to set up 11 equal payments to make certain I avoid any interest charges.

I got the sane tires. Cheaper than OEM 19s. Very happy with them. Took 2000 miles to break in for some reason. Little rough till then.

 

[PhotoEye]

245/45R19 POTENZA SPO AS On my Air DE-P
$1,420.95 (NOTE 5 tires; I keep one for long road trips)
COSTCO

 

[David R.]

Baby needs a new pair o'shoes (2 pair, actually). I think I've narrowed it down to 2.5 options.

1. Pirelli PZero AS Plus 3 NCS Electric ($1,164 for the set)
2. Michelin Pilot Sport All Season 4 ($1,168 for the set)

Option 2.5 is to go for the OE tire: Pirelli PZero AS Plus Electric ($1,532 for the set). But that's only an option if I feel I can't trust options 1 & 2. Why hand over $400 additional if I don't have to?

Anybody have any experience, good or bad, with my 1 & 2 options? Looking to make the buy before my next road trip. My current tires are right at the yellow / red mark on my tread gauge.

I am considering these tires for our 2023 Air Touring with 20” wheels. Does size matter (lol) for these options (the OP said they had 19” wheels)?

 

[martinjlm]

I am considering these tires for our 2023 Air Touring with 20” wheels. Does size matter (lol) for these options (the OP said they had 19” wheels)?

Prices vary by tire size. At Discount Tire Michelin Pilot Sport 4 All Seasons are $291 for 19" (fit the Air) and are $304 for 20" (fit the Model Y).

 

[David R.]

Prices vary by tire size. At Discount Tire Michelin Pilot Sport 4 All Seasons are $291 for 19" (fit the Air) and are $304 for 20" (fit the Model Y).

Right, other than price, just wondering if there is any other differences with the bigger size such as road noise, performance and/or longevity?

 

[Saksak]

Right, other than price, just wondering if there is any other differences with the bigger size such as road noise, performance and/or longevity?

Larger tires give you stiffer sidewalls which transmits road feel better and may be less floaty. In everyday driving, this means a harsher ride. In general, smaller tires are better in nearly all categories except looks. They may even be faster due to less weight. There is a sweet spot for rim size for racers - bigger is not necessarily better.

Tires designed for EV’s will be significantly quieter than non-EV tires and will also provide more range. I personally ditched Michelin Pilot Sport 4 and swapped to Hankook ION EVO AS SUV for my Model X after experiencing them on my Gravity (Hankooks came stock on my Gravity for best range) The difference in road noise and comfort were significantly better with the Hankooks.

Check out the European ratings for tires. I far prefer the European rating over the US standards. The Hankooks are one of the few tires with an AAA rating: efficiency, wet grip, and noise.

 

[David R.]

Larger tires give you stiffer sidewalls which transmits road feel better and may be less floaty. In everyday driving, this means a harsher ride. In general, smaller tires are better in nearly all categories except looks. They may even be faster due to less weight. There is a sweet spot for rim size for racers - bigger is not necessarily better.

Tires designed for EV’s will be significantly quieter than non-EV tires and will also provide more range. I personally ditched Michelin Pilot Sport 4 and swapped to Hankook ION EVO AS SUV for my Model X after experiencing them on my Gravity (Hankooks came stock on my Gravity for best range) The difference in road noise and comfort were significantly better with the Hankooks.

Check out the European ratings for tires. I far prefer the European rating over the US standards. The Hankooks are one of the few tires with an AAA rating: efficiency, wet grip, and noise.

Thanks for the info. I will look into the Hankooks as well.

 

[ken43]

Thanks for the info. I will look into the Hankooks as well.

I had a similar decision about 18 months ago when I blew a side wall on one tire and elected to replace all four. I went with your option 1 Pirelli because Tire Rack told me they were basically the same as the OEM Pirellis but significantly cheaper. The ride comfort and noise are about the same as the OEMs I replaced them for, but the replacement Pirellis have significantly underperformed from a mi/Kwh perspective. Trip B on the pic below is my mi/kWh AFTER putting on the new option 1 tires. Trip A in the pic is total for the car since new. You can see that the new Pirelli tires gave me significantly less range .

 

[David R.]

I had a similar decision about 18 months ago when I blew a side wall on one tire and elected to replace all four. I went with your option 1 Pirelli because Tire Rack told me they were basically the same as the OEM Pirellis but significantly cheaper. The ride comfort and noise are about the same as the OEMs I replaced them for, but the replacement Pirellis have significantly underperformed from a mi/Kwh perspective. Trip B on the pic below is my mi/kWh AFTER putting on the new option 1 tires. Trip A in the pic is total for the car since new. You can see that the new Pirelli tires gave me significantly less range .

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Thanks. I asked ny Lucid remote tech about buying the OEM tires from Lucid and having him put the tires on but they aren’t doing that in my area yet, probably no way to balance them like Tesla can do with certain mobile repair vans. Waiting on a price from lucid to get 4 new OEM tires delivered for comparison. Not gonna be cheap…

 

[EVCar]

Thanks for the info. I will look into the Hankooks as well.

I recall postings from hmp10 about Hankooks performance in wet weather not as strong as other brands.

 

[Saksak]

I recall postings from hmp10 about Hankooks performance in wet weather not as strong as other brands.

It’s best to research the ratings for specific tires. The European rating system is pretty good, with wet traction being one of the three specific ratings, with efficiency and noise being the other two.

 

[EVCar]

It’s best to research the ratings for specific tires. The European rating system is pretty good, with wet traction being one of the three specific ratings, with efficiency and noise being the other two.

I believe he did fairly extensive research comparing the 3 OEM tires for the Gravity and shared the results on the forum a while back.
In fact, he's a tire nut in my book (a good thing).

 

[Saksak]

I believe he did fairly extensive research comparing the 3 OEM tires for the Gravity and shared the results on the forum a while back.
In fact, he's a tire nut in my book (a good thing).

I couldn’t find any specific data searching the forums. Perhaps @hmp10 could weight in?

In the mean time, I did find Hankook ION EVO AS tire test data. Buried toward the bottom is the explanation that >100% is better and <100% is worse.

BTW, I have no interest in promoting Hankook. I’m also not a tire buff, but I tend to do research in the products I buy. I’m just bringing awareness because I didn’t even know Hankooks existed before the Gravity. I was curious why Hankook was OEM for the small tires with an huge range difference from medium/large tires. That led me down the rathole of how EV tires are different from traditional tires and European performance ratings.

 

[elin]

I had a similar decision about 18 months ago when I blew a side wall on one tire and elected to replace all four. I went with your option 1 Pirelli because Tire Rack told me they were basically the same as the OEM Pirellis but significantly cheaper. The ride comfort and noise are about the same as the OEMs I replaced them for, but the replacement Pirellis have significantly underperformed from a mi/Kwh perspective. Trip B on the pic below is my mi/kWh AFTER putting on the new option 1 tires. Trip A in the pic is total for the car since new. You can see that the new Pirelli tires gave me significantly less range .

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My experience with option 1 is similar to yours.
Post in thread 'Non Oem 19” wheel range question.'
https://lucidowners.com/threads/non-oem-19”-wheel-range-question.15430/post-339119

 

[Lycra]

Hancock are quite common in Germany.
We do have on both id4 the Hancock and I do have fro our two Audi etron winter tires the Hancock ones.