Discussion Invitation: I don't see it. I think they're wrong.

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Analysts are brutal. I think they're wrong. I'm hoping to start a discussion, here are my thoughts:

I've owned various cars, from Porches and BMWs to Lexuses (Lexi?), Acuras, Hondas, and Volkswagens. From beat-up cars held together with duct tape to high-performance sports cars, I've driven them all. Recently, I became interested in EVs because of their impressive performance numbers and my dislike of gas stations. While Tesla initially impressed me, it felt stale, and I saw too many on the road. They might as well rebrand it as Tesla-Uber. However, within five minutes of driving the Lucid, I told my wife, "this changes everything." It's a compelling product. Selling or leasing them at a loss right now is smart, although unintentional. It takes one look to raise curiosity, It only takes one drive for people to see its potential. These vehicles are magnificent. Currently, I sort of look at the Air Pure as a loss leader, but the long-term potential is astronomical.

After a fantastic test drive, I logged into my brokerage account to research the company. The carnage of share prices and analyst views were alarming and made no sense. I’m a curious person, and I had to dig deeper.

I conducted a thorough investigation, examining the company, its executives, filings, disclosures, and history. I also reviewed reams of analyst material and took a close look at PIF and other sovereign wealth funds. Most importantly, I read everything I could about MBS. As everyone knows, he’s the de facto dictator of KSA. My research eventually led me to explore his rivals - the Sheik of Qatar, the Sheik of UAE, and the Sheik of Dubai (yes, I know Dubai is part of the UAE, but you know why he's mentioned).

I believe analysts have overlooked the significance of these rivalries and MBS's motivations. His motivations are an unquantifiable factor that might be more important than any balance sheet. Unlike the US, where rivalries are quashed and motivations are fluid, this is a cultural matter rooted in honor, tradition, respect, ego, and competition. These rivalries are constant. Dubai is a monument to itself, Qatar essentially bribed its way into hosting the World Cup, so what will KSA do? I think it starts with Vision 2030.

KSA's Vision 2030 is a plan for prosperity beyond oil. MBS knows he has limited time to build a legacy, as KSA is nearing the end of its oil income. He wants to be the progressive Prince who guides his country out of oil dependence, establishes a financial center and ultimately surpassing his rival princes through economic power and modernization. His desire for modernization is not just a passion project; it's the first step in building his legend. The optics of failure would be terrible. Look at what he’s planning - NEOM, an ambitious project bigger than Dubai. It's already under construction, but it might be different than initially envisioned. Now consider Lucid. With Lucid, MBS has a relatively inexpensive way to make a statement, putting him on par with innovators and forward-thinking leaders. Every Lucid with a "Saudi Made" badge is a statement, and every award is a feather in his cap.

KSA recently announced an automotive cluster complex in a special economic zone dedicated to King Abdullah, projected to contribute $25 billion to GDP. Many automotive companies are expected to be involved. It's clear that KSA wouldn't sponsor such a project without a Saudi auto manufacturer. KSA will not launch a flagship automotive project without producing autos. They can get that on the cheap through Ludic. PIF is almost a trillion USD. The cost of incubating Lucid hardly registers in comparison. Tellingly, KSA just announced $600 million in US investments. Even the most pessimistic person would concede that a portion of that, small or large, will go to the KSA-owned automaker we all favor.

For these reasons, I not only bought a Lucid but also acquired a few thousand shares. I’m just going to sit on them and adhere to the hold doctrine to see where I wind up. Does anyone have additional or contrary information? Musings, opinions, critiques, rumors or any information at all? As I mentioned, I hope we have a lively discussion!
 
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Analysts are brutal. I think they're wrong. I'm hoping to start a discussion, here are my thoughts:

I've owned various cars, from Porches and BMWs to Lexuses (Lexi?), Acuras, Hondas, and Volkswagens. From beat-up cars held together with duct tape to high-performance sports cars, I've driven them all. Recently, I became interested in EVs because of their impressive performance numbers and my dislike of gas stations. While Tesla initially impressed me, it felt stale, and I saw too many on the road. They might as well rebrand it as Tesla-Uber. However, within five minutes of driving the Lucid, I told my wife, "this changes everything." It's a compelling product. Selling or leasing them at a loss right now is smart, although unintentional. It takes one look to raise curiosity, It only takes one drive for people to see its potential. These vehicles are magnificent. Currently, I sort of look at the Air Pure as a loss leader, but the long-term potential is astronomical.

After a fantastic test drive, I logged into my brokerage account to research the company. The carnage of share prices and analyst views were alarming and made no sense. I’m a curious person, and I had to dig deeper.

I conducted a thorough investigation, examining the company, its executives, filings, disclosures, and history. I also reviewed reams of analyst material and took a close look at PIF and other sovereign wealth funds. Most importantly, I read everything I could about MBS. As everyone knows, he’s the de facto dictator of KSA. My research eventually led me to explore his rivals - the Sheik of Qatar, the Sheik of UAE, and the Sheik of Dubai (yes, I know Dubai is part of the UAE, but you know why he's mentioned).

I believe analysts have overlooked the significance of these rivalries and MBS's motivations. His motivations are an unquantifiable factor that might be more important than any balance sheet. Unlike the US, where rivalries are quashed and motivations are fluid, this is a cultural matter rooted in honor, tradition, respect, ego, and competition. These rivalries are constant. Dubai is a monument to itself, Qatar essentially bribed its way into hosting the World Cup, so what will KSA do? I think it starts with Vision 2030.

KSA's Vision 2030 is a plan for prosperity beyond oil. MBS knows he has limited time to build a legacy, as KSA is nearing the end of its oil income. He wants to be the progressive Prince who guides his country out of oil dependence, establishes a financial center and ultimately surpassing his rival princes through economic power and modernization. His desire for modernization is not just a passion project; it's the first step in building his legend. The optics of failure would be terrible. Look at what he’s planning - NEOM, an ambitious project bigger than Dubai. It's already under construction, but it might be different than initially envisioned. Now consider Lucid. With Lucid, MBS has a relatively inexpensive way to make a statement, putting him on par with innovators and forward-thinking leaders. Every Lucid with a "Saudi Made" badge is a statement, and every award is a feather in his cap.

KSA recently announced an automotive cluster complex in a special economic zone dedicated to King Abdullah, projected to contribute $25 billion to GDP. Many automotive companies are expected to be involved. It's clear that KSA wouldn't sponsor such a project without a Saudi auto manufacturer. KSA will not launch a flagship automotive project without producing autos. They can get that on the cheap through Ludic. PIF is almost a trillion USD. The cost of incubating Lucid hardly registers in comparison. Tellingly, KSA just announced $600 million in US investments. Even the most pessimistic person would concede that a portion of that, small or large, will go to the KSA-owned automaker we all favor.

For these reasons, I not only bought a Lucid but also acquired a few thousand shares. I’m just going to sit on them and adhere to the hold doctrine to see where I wind up. Does anyone have additional or contrary information? Musings, opinions, critiques, rumors or any information at all? As I mentioned, I hope we have a lively discussion!
Exactly why I bought a lot of LCID…the product is phenomenal and backed by a very rich country that is not ruled by right wing/left wing zigzag politics. In a decade, Lucid will dominate the luxury automobile market through product and licensing. It will also expand into battery storage- Saudi is building a massive solar project.
 
I couldn't disagree more.

I'm bracing for the hate, but I don't see battery electric vehicles lasting more than another 10-15 years in the mainstream. All things considered, chemical batteries are a poor solution for energy storage in the context of personal transportation - they're heavy, extremely expensive, very temp sensitive, and when abused can degrade quickly (among many other problems). We've been festooned with chemical batteries as a stopgap thanks to the hysterically high market capitalization of a certain EV manufacturer. There is an optimal energy storage solution out there, and once oil becomes too expensive to use for frivolous things like trips to the store, necessity will bear this solution, leaving these chemical batteries as a brief curiosity for the history books.

As for the Saudi PIF angle, I wouldn't pin my financial future on the intentions of someone like MBS. Honor and respect are pretty much the last adjectives that come to my mind when thinking of a person like him, given civil rights abuses and downright criminal behavior. I don't think Saudi Arabia is as stable as they'd like to be perceived; recall a missile attack mere miles from one of the first F1 races taking place in Jeddah.

Anecdotally, I purchased an Air because it was the cheapest way to get 600+ reliable, practical horses in my garage. Given the PIF backing, I see it as being subsidized from the cost of all the petrol I purchased over the last 20 years or so. It's a great car, but this isn't a sustainable way to run a business.

I do see Lucid surviving in some form or another thanks to some of their manufacturing innovations. Batteries may not last, but the electric motor will be with us for a long time.

Just my two cents.
 
No hate here. I also think batteries are going to be set aside for something like fuel cells in the long run, but I think that will take a while to develop, largely due to safety and network feasibility. Right now, however, Lucid's battery game is ahead of the competition.

I suppose I should have been a bit more clear about PIF. MBS is a dictator, as I mentioned. He's also a very proud (hubris?) leader who places a ton of faith in technology. If he wants Lucid to work, it will. When I spoke of honor and respect, I was thinking of the informative history of Middle Eastern culture when it comes to pride and rivalry. I've worked there and there's a reason it's extraordinarily difficult to appease their etiquette and customs. That he's done some criminal things re basic freedoms doesn't mean he'll bail on Lucid. TBH, he has also been working on modernizing society.

Saudi Arabia is not immune to attack, but their military is pretty amazing in comparison to its rivals. In addition, with the Ritz Carlton imprisonments, I think it's safe to say that he has locked the ruling family dissenters down.

If I were to name one major thing that would cause KSA to bolt, I would put on the current administration abruptly deciding that KSA is the enemy. Secondary to that is KSA bringing Lucid private.

Your insights are greatly appreciated. I value differing points of view - they're informative and no discussion/debate is meaningful if there aren't differing opinions. Thanks for being so upfront.
 


EVs are the way of the future: (talk about battery chemistry in near absolute zero temps.... all-season vs summer tires, etc ....)
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The Syriana clip is so relevant to this discussion. It's somewhat ironic that my portfolio is rather oil-heavy because I got in during a deep slump. Now, I just need to find the right exit point. After buying and experiencing a Lucid, I see that exit point growing closer.
 
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