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Phoenix is great , I’ve been there many times. Great communication and they always gave me a loaner.

Installation is what, $200…. They sell it as a package- tires, wheels, tpms, installation. If you really need it pronto, just pay and get it installed yourself….or maybe buy aftermarket wheels and tires. That might come out cheaper. Why would they break up the price for you? It’s up to you...

I haven’t notice much difference….or quickly forgotten the differences. After a few days driving you won’t be able to appreciate any difference. We are not professional race car drivers to be that inclined.

I pace failed not because of Waymo, but because of it had poor software and range. Also very expensive for a mid size car….Tesla 3 was much cheaper.

Wrong, they need robotaxis as well , otherwise will fall far behind. You don’t stop pigeon hole yourself.

Unless you are a professional sports car driver, you won’t appreciate a difference in daily driving.

Well, they delayed Cosmos 6 months for perfection…..maybe they don’t need to expand any service centers….

Good points!

Agree, and that is where the marketing flopped….the “post luxury” nonsense where people expect perfection. Why not talk about the technological innovations……

Sorry, that included those who signed up for a free trial. How many of those converted to paid subscription and do they keep it as long as they have the vehicle? Definitely not! More hogwash from Tesla. I want to see the un-redacted crash data, then Tesla can yap about FSD nonsense!

Disagree, only Tesla fanboys want it. Not every Tesla buyer is buying it for FSD. They have more service centers, better software - and I don’t mean FSD. We never use it and don’t care for it. Only bought a Tesla since service was close by and software just works.

Pointing how much better Lucid engineering is, bar software. Rivian looks like it is trying to make the vehicle cheaper at the expense of ride and handling. Charging also worse with 400V while everyone coming out with 800v plus. It’s a backward looking vehicle, not the future.

It supports 3 states, and they told me they are looking to open another service center.

Lucid doesn’t have the software team numbers that Tesla has, so updates won’t be as frequent. But agree, we need PAAK now, if they won’t most sakes. Wonder why Q1….delay due to Apple/Google?

I thought R1 was bad and it had air suspension. Rivian just cuts corners whether it be performance, range, voltage, packaging, efficiency, ride, handling- when compared to Lucid. “ My biggest complaint is the suspension. At one point, I stopped for coffee with two other adults in the car...

R3 won’t come out for at least 3 more years. R2 ramp up will suck a lot of resources and they don’t want to cannibalize R2 sales .

I disagree, these are complex vehicles unfamiliar to a majority of car mechanics. You don’t trust such complex repairs to independent workshops. Body work, yes, but not battery/motor/software.

It’s not a joke they won’t tow outside of warranty. Why should they? And why did you buy car with service 10 hours away? Sometimes bad luck happens, that’s life.

I blame the present societal collapse on Silicon Valley greed…..when influences with no expertise or knowledge can move the needle with help from algorithms….

Sorry, they say double V2 so about 40kw. Musk was aiming for 150 but again, that’s a dream of his like anything else.