2.0.24 Software Update

BTW my 2018 model 3's software was rough and unstable for about its first year. At this point Tesla had been shipping the model s for six years. In that sense, Lucid is currently doing better.

DeaneG said:

BTW my 2018 model 3's software was rough and unstable for about its first year. At this point Tesla had been shipping the model s for six years. In that sense, Lucid is currently doing better.

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Lucid is doing better? They had the competition's cars as examples of what works and what doesn't and they still shipped cars with absolutely crap software, both in reliability and UI functionality.

I am very happy that things are much, much better BUT I will not cut them any slack for the piss poor software that my car has had for almost a year.

MoniputerLM said:

Lucid is doing better? They had the competition's cars as examples of what works and what doesn't and they still shipped cars with absolutely crap software, both in reliability and UI functionality.

I am very happy that things are much, much better BUT I will not cut them any slack for the piss poor software that my car has had for almost a year.

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It’s a startup getting into a new business. Give them time. They are making tons of improvements and if I were to guess, by mid next year, the software would be 10x better than today.

Anyone remembers iOS Maps? When it came out, it was trash. They ended the contract with Google and implemented their own mapping software. Lucid obviously doesn’t have the resources of Apple but people need to acknowledge that the first few iterations of software is going to be hard (Apple with 30-40yrs of software experience still got it wrong the first time). iOS maps is now comparable to Google maps within 6-7yrs. Now I’m not saying people need to wait 6yrs, but things can only improve from here on (with the occasional regression).

2.0 was a reset to their software stack (no official confirmation but multiple people with inside knowledge mentioned it on these forums).

I’m sorry, but this whole “Tesla’s software is great” argument falls apart at phantom braking. I have a car that essentially has no cruise control for long road trips, because I can’t trust it at all not to slam the brakes on me every few miles.

And three years later, Tesla has made zero effort to admit they have a problem, let alone address it.

For all of Lucid‘s software issues, at least they are making an effort to improve.

joec said:

For all of Lucid‘s software issues, at least they are making an effort to improve.

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While I agree in general.

I have to say I've had no acknowledgement from Lucid about the Drivetrain issues I've experienced.

Tesla software remains leaps and bounds better in so many ways. Despite the phantom braking.

I'm guessing the legal departments keep these corporations from acknowledging the larger issues around safety. It sucks.

Anyway, I think we should always be constructive about the feedback we give.

Perhaps we can get the thread back on topic rather than just criticizing Lucid?

For software feedback that has been requested, near term achievable things I’d like to see are

- 100% camera reliability (they should come up EVERY time, and work the same EVERY time).
-mi/KWh back where it used to be, as well as ability to display kW used, estimated SOC% on arrival, without having to dig into the sub menu on the pilot panel.
-work furiously with EA to figure out why some of their units throw a “vehicle protocol error” right after initiating charging. This is happening to many owners and the inability to charge the car on the network selected by Lucid as the go-to network should be treated as the most urgent software issue on the car, although I realize it is dependent upon EA software as well.

Other than that, thanks for working so hard on improving the software and the speed at which you guys came up with 2.0 still blows my mind.

That’s all I want for Christmas, thanks.

bunnylebowski said:

Perhaps we can get the thread back on topic rather than just criticizing Lucid?
That’s all I want for Christmas, thanks.

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Someone said something something criticism " ... for a hundred-something thousand dollar car."

I say, "No, it's a $40,000 car with a million dollar engine and a future-proof infrastructure."

Anytime anyone says: "But my horse could feed itself." I say, " bye ".

joec said:

I’m sorry, but this whole “Tesla’s software is great” argument falls apart at phantom braking. I have a car that essentially has no cruise control for long road trips, because I can’t trust it at all not to slam the brakes on me every few miles.

And three years later, Tesla has made zero effort to admit they have a problem, let alone address it.

For all of Lucid‘s software issues, at least they are making an effort to improve.

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This. Right here. I appreciate the utility of our Model Xs, and those trick automatic doors, and the slicker, smoother software on the UI, but man, I’ll be damned if I still don’t get phantom braking after four years of owning them.

In the meantime I road tested V2.0.24 on a San Diego downtown Los Angeles round trip. 270 miles total. Averaged 3.5 miles per kWh, while running 75 mph on average.

Was befuddled for several minutes trying to get the car centred so as to be able to engage Highway Assist (car at first behaved like an airplane taxiing, straddling lane markings and essentially hogging two lanes), and finally got it all sorted.

Guess what - not ONE instance of phantom braking. Not one.

Drove for the first time after this update. It will take a while to familiarize with the rearranged displays, but that will be fun.

I did immediately, however, experience the continued movement of the car (on even the slightest grade) without affirmative acceleration. The car "rolled" with the gradient, regardless of the drive setting (D or R). It's as if it goes into an electronic Neutral, like a manual transmission car.

When I looked at the drive settings, the ability to set it to Hold rather than Roll was grayed out. However, once I placed the car in PARK mode, the option to change to Hold returned. So, it appears the default setting may be Roll, requiring the driver to select Hold to avoid the roll.

I don't know whether my change to Hold will "hold" hereafter or if I will have to make that election each time I get ready to drive. I sincerely hope the latter is not the case.

An automatic transmission vehicle in the Drive setting does not roll to the degree I experienced (not sure how far it would have travelled, I hit the brakes about after a couple of feet). This behavior will catch pretty much any driver by surprise (imagine a valet parking your car for the first time. They certainly would expect the car to stop in place if the D or R drive setting was displayed).

Would like to see that setting election to be made by the driver at any time, fixed for the last setting made, or attached to each profile. The current condition will very likely result in unnecessary and expensive front and rear end crashes/damage.

As user of Navigation, I find it SOC or miles range at arrival more useful than mi/kWh, it gives sense of how bad user’s drive causing decline if efficiency as seeing that number decrease during the trip. However, this if the information on that left side of center cockpit can be toggled like most other cars out there would be awesome.

Like TPMS, Efficiency, Tripmeters, Instaneous Energy, etc etc.

Thank you Lucid, still the best ultimate marvelous machine I ever owned!

Here are my thoughts on 2.0.24. First this is great improvement and a big thank you to the entire Lucid team. It brings the software more inline with the quality of the car and the drive.

Issues and concerns:

• Switching profiles causes left cockpit and pilot displays to show background image for a very long time. Like others, I would like the seat adjustment to happen first and quickly since I can barely sit in the car when on my wife's profile.
• Highway assist does not turn off steering control when a turn signal is activated, you have to override the steering which makes for a jerky lane change.
• Highway assist seems to track a bit to the left of center, not sure if this is just my car or not. Service did a four wheel alignment for me becasue the steering wheel was offset by a few degrees. I have not had a chance to try HA after this.
• The new software did not change the corner radar errors around metal buildings. This still occurs regularly.
• The miles remaining at destination does not account for elevation change, route speed or weather. It is very inaccurate when driving from Phoenix up to the mountains.

On the feature side of things that I would like to see:

• I would like the mi/kWhr efficiency to return to the center left cockpit display
• I would like the battery at destination to display SOC% instead of miles when I have selected to show the battery in SOC% rather than miles.
• Scheduled level 2 charging
• Cabin over temperature protection to keep interior temperature below some max like 110 degrees
• Separate volume adjustment for music, navigation and phone.
• Ability to see firmware version of key fobs

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1) Need a way to be able to activate homelink buttons while backing out of a garage with 360 view activated.
2) Need a charging window function in the car (not a start time) with an "Applies only at home" checkbox.
3) Please move seats etc as soon as a profile change is made, not at the end. I can't get into my car with my wife's seat position, and seat movement never seems to start when I switch the car to my profile until I give up and go do something else for a couple minutes.

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Totally agree on your #3! The seats should adjust before you get in the car. I can't squeeze into my wife's profile.

I forgot to mention earlier when navigation is on, even though passenger changes right cockpit screen to music screen, it is such VAST improvement to put direction in front of us on the right section of center cockpit.

Further needed improvement:
- ALWAYS have SPECIFIC DIRECTION of which freeway going —— not just ABC freeway, I-XYZ interstate, append (W) (E) (N) (S) at end of each freeway. It is showing sometimes, just not consistent all the time.

- Make somewhere in settings, whether in navigation or audio section to control Alexa instruction voice level. Alexa is just not loud enough and get buried in the music. Programmers can also consider creating toggle switch in settings to pause music briefly while Alexa is talking.

UX Suggestion:
- Instead of music in the right Cockpit Screen menu, make it in Pilot Control Panel menu like currently of General Access, HVAC, Settings, Parking Assist reside. Let passenger access music in Pilot Panel like how they do with glove compartment, HVAC there. Let the right Cockpit menu purely focus on just driver exclusive functions. Advantage of Music exclusively in Pilot Panel is that it has big enough screen real estate to browse thru album covers. AND MOST IMPORTANTLY, driver can have navigation and music info appear same time without being interupted by passenger playing with music. Driver can still expand and bring down navigation to Pilot Panel to search map if needed.

Again, thank you Lucid IT team! Wonderful you guys did last few months!

bunnylebowski said:

Perhaps we can get the thread back on topic rather than just criticizing Lucid?

For software feedback that has been requested, near term achievable things I’d like to see are

- 100% camera reliability (they should come up EVERY time, and work the same EVERY time).
-mi/KWh back where it used to be, as well as ability to display kW used, estimated SOC% on arrival, without having to dig into the sub menu on the pilot panel.
-work furiously with EA to figure out why some of their units throw a “vehicle protocol error” right after initiating charging. This is happening to many owners and the inability to charge the car on the network selected by Lucid as the go-to network should be treated as the most urgent software issue on the car, although I realize it is dependent upon EA software as well.

Other than that, thanks for working so hard on improving the software and the speed at which you guys came up with 2.0 still blows my mind.

That’s all I want for Christmas, thanks.

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Thanks for injecting a positive attitude back onto this thread. I really dislike all of the bashing of Lucid when they are clearly working very hard to get things 'right'.

Huge improvement with the latest release. Thank you, Lucid engineers!

I have had a few minor 'glitches' that I can't really explain. Here's one: In the middle of a long road trip, I stopped to get something to eat. When I got back in my car, the mirrors opened like they normally do, but the mirrors themselves were pointed directly into the ground. I didn't notice them until I started driving and I was unable to adjust them to their proper spot through the console. The only way I could reset them was to stop the car, change my profile to my wife's profile, and then change back to my profile. A car 'reset' didn't work, only changing the profile did.

As far as improvements, I would love the ability to swipe the center console between navigation, music, phone (perhaps swiping horizontally or through tabs) while having the right portion of the top console staying static. I would like to have the navigation on the top console and the music queue on the center console at the same time.

While this is a bit of a minor issue, it would be awesome if the software could keep track of how many times the driver accepted the Sprint mode warning (by profile) and then after 20 or so times, just not have that warning display anymore.

joec said:

I’m sorry, but this whole “Tesla’s software is great” argument falls apart at phantom braking. I have a car that essentially has no cruise control for long road trips, because I can’t trust it at all not to slam the brakes on me every few miles.

And three years later, Tesla has made zero effort to admit they have a problem, let alone address it.

For all of Lucid‘s software issues, at least they are making an effort to improve.

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I have not had that problem with my Tesla M3 but did have some issues with my MS. I purchased the GT knowing it would have software glitches but could overlook them due the super fine engineering of the Lucid. All I am saying is that Lucid knew what Tesla they had so why start at the bottom; they had engineers that worked at Tesla so they knew the software status beforehand. Lucid's engineering prominence is motors and battery coupled with a nicer vehicle. Auto software is pretty much the same thing in all cars. As many on this forum have noted, their old ICE vehicles had basic features years ago. And, as many have noted, this is America, we all have our own personal idiosyncrasies and the freedom to buy and drive anything we can like and can afford. Yea!!!

SubSailor said:

I have not had that problem with my Tesla M3 but did have some issues with my MS. I purchased the GT knowing it would have software glitches but could overlook them due the super fine engineering of the Lucid. All I am saying is that Lucid knew what Tesla they had so why start at the bottom; they had engineers that worked at Tesla so they knew the software status beforehand. Lucid's engineering prominence is motors and battery coupled with a nicer vehicle. Auto software is pretty much the same thing in all cars. As many on this forum have noted, their old ICE vehicles had basic features years ago. And, as many have noted, this is America, we all have our own personal idiosyncrasies and the freedom to buy and drive anything we can like and can afford. Yea!!!

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Give time, it will be there. Software engineers are not like supermarket cashiers, you cannot ramp up hiring as you need to like in most industries; there are specific criteria of expertise and experience. There is labor shortage in supply chain inflation. Lucid is doing all that in house instead or outsourcing, so they are progressing, they are aware of needs.

SubSailor said:

Car opens when I approach, car listens to my commands and reacts, one pedal driving is effortless and works, my software comes on when I enter car, homelink is automatic, navigation is spot on, etc. Come on, I cannot believe you do not think the Lucid software is at that level yet. i

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Your original post boiled down to Your software still sucks with no details. That is feedback and a legitimate viewpoint. He wasn’t disputing the level of disparity, he was simply asking for an accounting of features that you find superior in the Tesla. I don’t understand about one pedal driving. Is it that you are habituated to how Tesla implemented it and find what Lucid did different? Are you on standard or strong regen? I find one pedal driving effortless and it works fine in the Air. The other stuff is indisputable.

Great suggestions by everyone!

Small thing, but the double-displaying of the time in the home screen and the double-displaying of the next turn information in the navigation screen drives me nuts.

milgauss said:

Great suggestions by everyone!

Small thing, but the double-displaying of the time in the home screen and the double-displaying of the next turn information in the navigation screen drives me nuts.

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What double displaying?