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Did you hear about those Tesla’s on FSD the stopped dead in the middle of the highway and got rear ended? People died.
I talked to a relative of mine who is an expert in ADAS. Only cameras with lack of redundancy is dangerous.
I don’t care is she is getting paid, lots of people of want to make the company fail to make money of shorting put out a lot of hate videos.
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This one is close to home, a town over...https://electrek.co/2026/09/01/tesla-driver-assist-left-turn-batavia/
That being said, it's still probably killing less drivers than other people manually driving.
Comparing Kim Java to Michael Jordan is certainly a take...
No, I have not. To be frank, I really try not to read into this kind of news. You can call me ignorant, but most of the time, at least what I've noticed is mostly user error. I don't want to say every case is, but it just sounds worse than it is for the victim. I generally had a terrible experience with FSD prior to HW4, and without getting into the details of what these incidents are, I can't really provide any perspective. However, my last 8 months of using FSD on my Model X have been pretty good. Knock on wood. Is it perfect? No. It does help with my back pain because I'm doing less, but I still do pay attention. It does, however, help with my impatience because I no longer drive; it's actually good for my mental health. Crappy drivers make me very angry if I'm driving. People shouldn't completely rely on FSD, thinking it's perfect, but some do, and they do stupid things. To me, most corporations are shitty companies hiding a bunch of things to be profitable. Tesla/Lucid/Rivian or whatever is no exception.
This is one of those things where I prefer not to dig into this rabbit hole. Same reason as I don't research too far into EVs starting fires in people's garages. If I do, there's no chance I'll be buying more EVs. Actually, my neighbor's home has a Dodge EV, which got caught on fire inside a garage. I believe it had something to do with the battery. Don't know the details; I never ask, because my experience is fine. I just know to avoid EVs that are sold by the Big 3. Just don't trust them.
It only matters if FSD is safer than you…..if it’s not, you are taking a risk
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I posted this in another thread but here is the article for those that haven't read about it:
gizmodo.com
My opinion: As more and more ppl put on their dark glasses and sleep on their way to work, have the car drive them home after drinking, answer all their emails and texts on the hwy, or put grandma in the car to get her to her medical appt so they can go to work, etc.. the road will NOT become safer like everyone theorizes just because FSD is better than the way a lot of ppl drive.
YMMV
Another Tesla on Autopilot Stopped on Freeway, Driver Died: Report
The vehicle stopped in live traffic and was rear-ended.
gizmodo.com
My opinion: As more and more ppl put on their dark glasses and sleep on their way to work, have the car drive them home after drinking, answer all their emails and texts on the hwy, or put grandma in the car to get her to her medical appt so they can go to work, etc.. the road will NOT become safer like everyone theorizes just because FSD is better than the way a lot of ppl drive.
YMMV
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I have hesitated commenting on FSD.
I applaud the Tesla engineers who have brought it this far, even though I think the switch to neural learning a few years back was not a great idea. Given the level of incompentence of our fellow citizen drivers, having them participate in how my car operates is a step down (I consider myself an above average driver, IMHO).
I owned my Tesla for about three years, and the FSD of *all* generations were never able to deal with this set railroad tracks on my daily commute to my office. EVER.
It often showed up as a crowded scene of a half dozen shifting stoplights, and if a train was crossing, it was a stream of trucks. I worried it might perceive a flatcar as a break in traffic and dart through, heaven forbid. I even reported it as a bug. Got is wrong. Every. Single. Time.
I don't think it is challenging, even for an all-camera system. It is loaded with common symbols, but it failed *every* time and often just stopped, or else eased through slowly. I was lucky to not have been rear ended, but the speed limit is about 35 mph.
This has been my humble experience.
I applaud the Tesla engineers who have brought it this far, even though I think the switch to neural learning a few years back was not a great idea. Given the level of incompentence of our fellow citizen drivers, having them participate in how my car operates is a step down (I consider myself an above average driver, IMHO).
I owned my Tesla for about three years, and the FSD of *all* generations were never able to deal with this set railroad tracks on my daily commute to my office. EVER.
It often showed up as a crowded scene of a half dozen shifting stoplights, and if a train was crossing, it was a stream of trucks. I worried it might perceive a flatcar as a break in traffic and dart through, heaven forbid. I even reported it as a bug. Got is wrong. Every. Single. Time.
I don't think it is challenging, even for an all-camera system. It is loaded with common symbols, but it failed *every* time and often just stopped, or else eased through slowly. I was lucky to not have been rear ended, but the speed limit is about 35 mph.
This has been my humble experience.
Musk thinks “ we drive with our eyes so cameras will work” - but what he doesn’t say is we also hear and look at other drivers/pedestrians faces/actions and can see a few cars ahead through car windows. FSD can’t do any of that. We also have an intuition that no computer will master. And without redundancy- and in bad weather etc…..FSD won’t work in poor visibility days.
Yes, it’s remarkable Tesla achieved al, this with cameras, but it’s not the solution for robotaxis. But, we have a lot of gullible people who can easily be convinced.
Any talk of Lucid pushing anything remotely as good as Tesla’s FSD is just laughable.
The company can’t even get the vehicle’s most basic software to work correctly.
Even the latest HVAC fix in 3.6.4 is a half assed bandaid. Instead of programming the vehicle to better detect rear occupants, they decide to just leave the HVAC on permanently even when there’s 0 passengers.
Imagine spending $140k on a lemon and being expected to be satisfied whenever the company hands out scraps.
The company can’t even get the vehicle’s most basic software to work correctly.
Even the latest HVAC fix in 3.6.4 is a half assed bandaid. Instead of programming the vehicle to better detect rear occupants, they decide to just leave the HVAC on permanently even when there’s 0 passengers.
Imagine spending $140k on a lemon and being expected to be satisfied whenever the company hands out scraps.
Can you manually turn rear HVAC off…. if so, that’s how every car works.
FSD is a decade in the works, expecting Lucid to be there now is unrealistic, however much they promoted that goal- and they never gave a timeline.
The fact that you paid 140 k is irrelevant. Should all rangers rovers have FSD? In fact, since they cost more, maybe they should be Robotaxis…..
More mundane complaints…..
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I can tell you from driving experience and from technical experience that the parts in bold are not as you describe. I think that you assume that if your eyes can't see it the cameras can't. Not true. I can tell when I drive our Tesla or our Lucid that the cameras can see several cars ahead, including vehicles in front of the vehicle in front of me. That's the driving experience part. And I've seen both cars do that even in foggy weather. Just experienced this on my recent drive from Detroit to Hilton Head Island.
From technical experience if I go back to my days tracking new technology additions in my product portfolio planning days I very often attended supplier tech demos where they showed us cameras that see as clearly in pitch black or in fog, driving rain, or snowfall much better than the human eye can see. I retired from that job in 2017. Practically everything I was looking at camera-wise back then is not only in the field by now, but probably a cycle or two improved from when I saw it.
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Oh boy, FSD conversations. These are always respectful and level headed. Nothing to feel very strongly about...
I'll chime in because we currently own a MY with the latest hardware. For what it is, (supervised) self driving, it is really good. It is a great tool for mundane driving like stop and go traffic or long stretches off highway. It is even decent around town duty and does a solid job at lights, roundabouts and for pedestrian and emergency vehicles. I personally trust it but completely understand why others would not. Conversely, it is very much a supervised system. Blaming FSD for anything happening should also fall on the lap of the driver. I am still very aware that I am responsible for what the car does. While I do tend to relax while FSD is doing its thing, I am always paying some level of attention and am ready to takeover, if needed. I will say, every time I have taken over, it has been more due to my impatience with other drivers than an error with FSD itself.
FSD will be abused by the same morons who will text, scroll through Instagram/TikTok, eat and do their makeup while driving. Look around you. Everyone is on their phone. I'd prefer to have at least have them using FSD than just trusting their ability to multitask. FSD is a tool. It should be treated accordingly. Tools can be great but any harm that comes from them should also be on the responsibility of the wielder. And yes, IMO, FSD has proven to be safer than a lot of the morons I see on the roads daily. I also work in insurance. Accidents are out of control. I'd be hard pressed to believe that a human driver is safer in most scenarios. My two cents on the topic. I
Is FSD the be all end all? No, but it is the best at what it does at the moment.
I'll chime in because we currently own a MY with the latest hardware. For what it is, (supervised) self driving, it is really good. It is a great tool for mundane driving like stop and go traffic or long stretches off highway. It is even decent around town duty and does a solid job at lights, roundabouts and for pedestrian and emergency vehicles. I personally trust it but completely understand why others would not. Conversely, it is very much a supervised system. Blaming FSD for anything happening should also fall on the lap of the driver. I am still very aware that I am responsible for what the car does. While I do tend to relax while FSD is doing its thing, I am always paying some level of attention and am ready to takeover, if needed. I will say, every time I have taken over, it has been more due to my impatience with other drivers than an error with FSD itself.
FSD will be abused by the same morons who will text, scroll through Instagram/TikTok, eat and do their makeup while driving. Look around you. Everyone is on their phone. I'd prefer to have at least have them using FSD than just trusting their ability to multitask. FSD is a tool. It should be treated accordingly. Tools can be great but any harm that comes from them should also be on the responsibility of the wielder. And yes, IMO, FSD has proven to be safer than a lot of the morons I see on the roads daily. I also work in insurance. Accidents are out of control. I'd be hard pressed to believe that a human driver is safer in most scenarios. My two cents on the topic. I
Is FSD the be all end all? No, but it is the best at what it does at the moment.
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It's interesting that this thread is more about FSD than is Kim's video, and also more about FSD than it is about Kim's video.
Whatever the state of FSD now, it does look to be the #1 future feature in automotive functionality and competition.
I love driving, but have spent several hours navigating through crowded San Francisco streets in the last few days, and would gladly have handed that over to a robot.
Whatever the state of FSD now, it does look to be the #1 future feature in automotive functionality and competition.
I love driving, but have spent several hours navigating through crowded San Francisco streets in the last few days, and would gladly have handed that over to a robot.
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I think it’s rooted in the threat that someone may conclude that a Tesla is better than a Lucid. With respect to FSD it is. And there are lots of owners here who own Tesla’s, use FSD, and will call out BS. We should all be able to peacefully co-exist. Although I don’t own a Tesla I readily acknowledge that they have often set the bar for others. And despite what anyone thinks of the company or owner that’s been good for the auto industry.
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At the risk of continuing the FSD hijack of this thread I want to expand on what @DeaneG and @Northpointe have pointed out.
We've had a 2023 Model Y since new. We've received a number of free FSD trials. Each subsequent trial sucked just a little bit less than the immediate prior trial. On the Tesla forums I pretty much wore out my welcome because of my consistent criticism of FSD. And then something happened. From SW version 14.2.x onward it was actually g-o-o-d. And I don't mind saying that on the same forums where I had previously trashed it. If I'm going to "tell the truth" when it sucks, I need to also "tell the truth" when it is near excellent.
Now that we also have a 2023 Lucid I am in a position to compare the vehicles on every measure of what I want / need in an automobile. In that respect, the only thing the Model Y does better than the Lucid is FSD.
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This is where I see the value of Lucid placing the Gravity with Kim Java. If her experiences with the Gravity demonstrates over a long period of time (a full year) that in every conceivable measure except FSD and onscreen gaming that the Gravity is head and shoulders above anything in Tesla's portfolio, that's a huge win for Lucid.
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Spot on with my thoughts as well. It could be a massive win for Lucid. And given the stability I am now seeing in software generally for Gravity (and I think the majority of owners are seeing the same), odds are in Lucid’s favor that it will get that win.
Beyond this, if they release a competent Level 2++ update while she has the car, and she is impressed with their first offering, this will be game changing for the brand. That’s a big IF but seeing Silvio’s attention to readiness is reassuring that the release will be competent , if not excellent.