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Kim Java - Preview Gravity?

LVAGT said:
This thread is becoming like every other post, going in a circle between Lucid and Tesla apologist. To each of our own, my friends, life is too short, just buy what you want and drive on.
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Respectfully, this is in a thread about a major YouTube influencer and known Tesla fanatic for 10 years now getting a Gravity for the next 6-12 months. On a Lucid enthusiast forum. Her entire video is directly comparing her Tesla cars to the Lucid Gravity.

This is exactly the place to have an honest Lucid vs Tesla discussion.
 
zoomzoom said:
Respectfully, this is in a thread about a major YouTube influencer and known Tesla fanatic for 10 years now getting a Gravity for the next 6-12 months. On a Lucid enthusiast forum. Her entire video is directly comparing her Tesla cars to the Lucid Gravity.

This is exactly the place to have an honest Lucid vs Tesla discussion.
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I don’t disagree but there’s no comparison between FSD in Tesla and Gravity hands free. So I think that’s the piece where I think it’s not worth going back and forth. Gravity isn’t point to point, etc etc. I have DDPro and it doesn’t consistently slow well for curves, oversteers, etc. I am NOT complaining. I am just saying as an owner of both brands that FSD, right now, is head and shoulders above Gravity hands free. Will Lucid get there at some point? I don’t know.

If you want to discuss ride difference, third row, handling, cameras, infotainment etc, I think it’s all fair game.
 
Given how quickly lucid responded with an update after Kyle complaints, makes me hopeful that other influencers like java will hopefully splur updates.
 
DeaneG said:
Wow. I thought her initial impression video was quite positive. She was practically gushing about how great Gravity was for her family, and its silence, comfort and luxury compared to her model X.

Lucid's current DreamDrive Pro does maybe 10% of what FSD can. No hiding that.

I think these long term loans are a great idea on Lucid's part. Everyone can find something they don't like when testing a car for a day. But you discover more of its strengths over time.
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Yup. I think this could be a very strategic placement for Lucid. They absolutely k-n-o-w that DDP Pro 2 is very good but not on par with FSD (seriously…what is?). But embedding the Gravity with Kim Java will drive home the issue of whether or not FSD 14.4.x alone is enough to hold Tesla buyers in the pocket when everything else about the vehicle is head and shoulders above Tesla’s product line. I think TJ will be the harder sell. Kim seems to already internalize that Gravity is the better car by a lot, FSD notwithstanding. TJ is like “but FSD…”
 
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martinjlm said:
Yup. I think this could be a very strategic placement for Lucid. They absolutely k-n-o-w that DDP Pro 2 is very good but not on par with FSD (seriously…what is?). But embedding the Gravity with Kim Java will drive home the issue of whether or not FSD 14.4.x alone is enough to hold Tesla buyers in the pocket when everything else about the vehicle is head and shoulders above Tesla’s product line. I think TJ will be the harder sell. Kim seems to already internalize that Gravity is the better car by a lot, FSD notwithstanding. TJ is like “but FSD…”
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I do think they are generally pretty honest in their commentary but they also are absolutely aware of how to create content. I expect there is a touch of showmanship in the good cop bad cop impression of things. My expectations is that by the end she will love the car, he will agree it's very nice but will nit pick software and continue to harp on FSD.
 
I think, through Kim and family, that Lucid is also trying to tout the Gravity as a family vehicle. What better way to do that then place one with a well known influencer with three kids and a dog.
 
HC_79 said:
The Gravity's software launch was legitimately rough (bugs, incomplete features, responsiveness issues), which is well documented in here. But I'd separate that from the tech being "half-baked"

What was broken at launch - Software stability, UI responsiveness, feature completeness. Lucid shipped before things were ready.

What wasn't half-baked -The underlying tech architecture.
  • UWB hardware for PAAK is production-ready, the firmware integration just wasn't ready at launch it seems.
  • DD Pro hardware suite is fully capable of L2++, it's probably more validation/rollout delay, not a hardware problem.
  • Charging at 400+ kW on 1000V chargers, 225 kW on 500V is real, proven performance.
  • The software-defined vehicle architecture means they can actually fix the launch disaster over time without changing the car.
The difference? Half-baked tech = poor design/poor hardware. What the Gravity had was a half-baked implementation of advanced tech. Lucid overextended on the software side, too many features, not enough time to stabilize them.

As the software matures (and it has), you're seeing what was always there, capable hardware running increasingly stable software. The tech is impressive, the launch execution wasn't. Those are two different problems.
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While I see your point, this is basically a semantic difference while generally saying the same thing. To me, half-baked tech does INCLUDE software as well as hardware. Stuff being ready in the hardware side but not the software is still a problem and implies just that, half-baked, because once it is ready it would be fully baked. To me, the problems go hand in hand but we can just agree to disagree if you believe otherwise. One thing that most of us can agree on is that the tech and engineering is certainly impressive, if perhaps incomplete (if that would be a better word).
 
zoomzoom said:
I'm not bashing Tesla for the sake of bashing Tesla. As I stated, a few years ago I really wanted to buy an X but didn't after I rented one for a week on a vacation. It's a specific response to the NON STOP comments here and elsewhere regarding 'BUT FSD!!'. With the X being discontinued the only Tesla left to compare to is the Model Y L....and so I do. They are completely different tiers of cars, with completely different capabilities, as the prices reflect. I have never been a brand loyalist. I have bias towards finding the best available car judged on the totality of the vehicle's capabilities. The Lucid Gravity is that current title holder. If another brand comes along and develops something better I will go get that one next. From where I'm sitting Lucid and the Gravity will be king for the foreseeable future.

You are probably right that some people who could afford a Gravity will be scared away from Lucid due to concerns about reliability and support, and will choose a Model YL. Fair enough I suppose but drastically overstated if you ask me. And the Model Y L certainly would not be my second choice as I don't consider it even luxury adjacent amongst other issues. As an aside, you may recall Tesla had a nightmare of support challenges after the 3 and Y came along in volume. Tesla has had 10 more years to build up their support network and it is now pretty robust. Lucid will too.

Software is improving and now largely very stable, PAAK and other features will come. Even if there were zero additional features launched, I still believe the Lucid Gravity is far and away the best luxury family SUV on the market in every way after having it for a year and previously doing extensive research. I personally am not worried about Lucid being around in 5-10 years. The cars are simply too good for this company not to succeed.
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I completely agree and hope you are right.
 
This is my opinion on the FSD, likely an unpopular one.

As more and more people start to experience the FSD, with no competitor, a lot more will start converting to it. The conversion hasn't been high even with Tesla vehicles because only 14+ has been good, and most Teslas are actually still on HW3. Actually, most FSD haters are all the individuals who haven't even tried the newer HW4 version yet. And believe me, it's easy to throw shades because it's so bad before and costly. I'm one of them until I decided to turo one to try for a week because I didn't believe what anyone said due to my own experience over 10 years of Tesla ownership. I was genuinely impressed, but there will always be some haters out there.
 
LVAGT said:
This is my opinion on the FSD, likely an unpopular one.

As more and more people start to experience the FSD, with no competitor, a lot more will start converting to it. The conversion hasn't been high even with Tesla vehicles because only 14+ has been good, and most Teslas are actually still on HW3. Actually, most FSD haters are all the individuals who haven't even tried the newer HW4 version yet. And believe me, it's easy to throw shades because it's so bad before and costly. I'm one of them until I decided to turo one to try for a week because I didn't believe what anyone said due to my own experience over 10 years of Tesla ownership. I was genuinely impressed, but there will always be some haters out there.
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Not as an unpopular opinion as you might think. I believe there is a reason Rivian and Lucid are also chasing autonomy - they understand this. My wife was not a fan of Tesla until I booked a 2 hour demo for her and the response right after was "when do we order one?". It is not perfect, but very impressive in its current state and a huge selling point in the Tesla column. Once Lucid and Rivian get here, this will likely lure more people from Tesla.

To be clear - I love the option to drive the vehicle myself. I will always want a steering wheel and prefer driving dynamics over ADAS to be prioritized. However, I do see the value in self driving tech for highway and boring commuting traffic. I do hope we end up in a world where both cars that are fun to drive and can drive themselves can co-exist. Driving is great, but also having a car that can drive you home after a long day at the office is a blessing as well.
 
One thing Kim said in the most recent video- that early 27' it will have point to point like FSD and also a subscription service
Guessing this was said to her by Lucid- that we will have to pay for the point to point
 
BrianBigNFun said:
One thing Kim said in the most recent video- that early 27' it will have point to point like FSD and also a subscription service
Guessing this was said to her by Lucid- that we will have to pay for the point to point
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We should start laying bets now whether this will happen or not.
 
Off topic, but somehow I have a hard time with the way they use (I was gonna say expose, but that's probably too strong of a word) the kids for the sake of creating content.
 
prgarg said:
Off topic, but somehow I have a hard time with the way they use (I was gonna say expose, but that's probably too strong of a word) the kids for the sake of creating content.
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Agreed.

Not sure if this was part of your take - but I live in the area and where she drives and lives based off her videos are very easily identifiable places. I actually saw her walking around one time and was like wow, small world. But also, not really. I cannot believe how much people document their every day lives, kids included, and not consider the dangers they pose themselves too when random people online have access to it.

I would love to review cars, but couldn't fathom putting my face on the internet. Couldn't imagine doing that and also including kids. Maybe me being too cynical, but also the world we live in unfortunately.
 
Spaceship said:
Not as an unpopular opinion as you might think. I believe there is a reason Rivian and Lucid are also chasing autonomy - they understand this. My wife was not a fan of Tesla until I booked a 2 hour demo for her and the response right after was "when do we order one?". It is not perfect, but very impressive in its current state and a huge selling point in the Tesla column. Once Lucid and Rivian get here, this will likely lure more people from Tesla.

To be clear - I love the option to drive the vehicle myself. I will always want a steering wheel and prefer driving dynamics over ADAS to be prioritized. However, I do see the value in self driving tech for highway and boring commuting traffic. I do hope we end up in a world where both cars that are fun to drive and can drive themselves can co-exist. Driving is great, but also having a car that can drive you home after a long day at the office is a blessing as well.
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I would highly value eyes-off autonomy. Eyes-on autonomy is much less exciting for me. Obviously Tesla is ahead of Lucid on their eyes-on autonomy. But when I do a 3.5 hr drive from Tahoe to San Francisco, it isn't relaxing to have to be constantly prepared to take over with no warning. It forces a particular body position, and it's almost as wearing as driving myself. For me, the big improvement from ADAS is relieving my leg from the constant minute movements required to modulate my speed, and so I love adaptive cruise control. In theory there could be a safety improvement, but Tesla's unwillingness to provide safety data to third parties for verification is concerning, particularly when paired with Musk constantly overstating (lying really) FSD's capability.
 
Spaceship said:
Agreed.

Not sure if this was part of your take - but I live in the area and where she drives and lives based off her videos are very easily identifiable places. I actually saw her walking around one time and was like wow, small world. But also, not really. I cannot believe how much people document their every day lives, kids included, and not consider the dangers they pose themselves too when random people online have access to it.

I would love to review cars, but couldn't fathom putting my face on the internet. Couldn't imagine doing that and also including kids. Maybe me being too cynical, but also the world we live in unfortunately.
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Yes, exactly what I meant 🙂
People can live and stream their lives as they choose, but also knowing that underage kids cannot give consent, so they should probably stay out
 
Having just done a week road trip with four kids and a wife and dog I can say the Gravity is BY FAR better than our R1S and X. More space - quantifiable and can’t really argue. Kids hate third row of others cars and love Gravity. Very efficient, quick to charge, love the tables in second row (when stopped 😉), SSPro is great, etc. Hands-free is good enough for me. Super comfortable for everyone.


I think Lucid has to get their “FSD” out of its Cosmos or it won’t compete well with the Y.

Not sure why people don’t simply license FSD from Tesla as Tesla’s offered it. Yes, it sucks to license from a competitor, but other folks are chasing their tail. I don’t think Rivian or Lucid get close any time soon. Doesn’t matter whether it’s their own stack, Nvidia, etc. It’s really f’ing hard. People (normal folks not techies) grossly underestimate how much Tesla put into it.
 
prgarg said:
Yes, exactly what I meant 🙂
People can live and stream their lives as they choose, but also knowing that underage kids cannot give consent, so they should probably stay out
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Well…depends on if she makes enough to fund her kids college, etc. I’ve no idea what she makes, but some of these folks make well into seven figures. I could be convinced to put a little more online for seven figures…
 
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