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Lots of Gravity inventory in Miami World Center garage.

Haha! What I meant was, if they keep pushing those aggressive sales with 0 APR and low lease payments on the 2027 models, they'll end up just like some of us are saying here—they'll have more sales.
 
papiDR said:
Haha! What I meant was, if they keep pushing those aggressive sales with 0 APR and low lease payments on the 2027 models, they'll end up just like some of us are saying here—they'll have more sales.
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Yes, but…the GGT isn’t $100,000….some of the best features, (imho), are dynamic handling, SSPro, 7 seats, true leather seats, etc…so it’s not $100,000.

I get it though. Just this week I went from seeing 1-2 Gravity every couple of weeks to 4 different ones this week alone in DMV. Everyone who is in my car says it’s incredible. Not for my ego, but they love the space, ride, etc.
 
Ron_Burgundy said:
[…] It’s an amazing car, I just don’t think there’s enough demand at this price point for a “new” brand versus folks who buy BMW, Mercedes, etc mainly for the name and they want a BEV.
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The problem with BMW, Mercedes, etc. is they make compromises in order to use the same platform for both their ICE and EV vehicles for cost savings. Lucid optimizes for EV only, and the results are night and day. Maybe that’s what Lucid meant with “compromise nothing.” How many EV’s from traditional manufactures still retain the middle transmission hump, no frunk storage to speak of, useless 3rd row seats for adults, and other design choices that apply only to ICE vehicles?

There is nothing on the market that can compete with the Gravity and Air when it comes to the combination of range, performance, practical passenger & cargo space, and quiet/luxury/comfort/technology. If you are willing to give up one or more of those facets, sure, other EV’s are available on the market. However, if you want it all, there is no other vehicle that comes close.
 
Saksak said:
The problem with BMW, Mercedes, etc. is they make compromises in order to use the same platform for both their ICE and EV vehicles for cost savings. Lucid optimizes for EV only, and the results are night and day. Maybe that’s what Lucid meant with “compromise nothing.” How many EV’s from traditional manufactures still retain the middle transmission hump, no frunk storage to speak of, useless 3rd row seats for adults, and other design choices that apply only to ICE vehicles?

There is nothing on the market that can compete with the Gravity and Air when it comes to the combination of range, performance, practical passenger & cargo space, and quiet/luxury/comfort/technology. If you are willing to give up one or more of those facets, sure, other EV’s are available on the market. However, if you want it all, there is no other vehicle that comes close.
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Agree 100%. But I’ve said this before on here. My sense is most folks don’t cross shop and include Lucid at all. They are BMW or Mercedes or Cadillac or Porsche owners and buyers. Lucid doesn’t even show up on their screen and/or it doesn’t have the brand cache they want. Period. It’s the challenge of being a new brand in a world with a LOT more EVs than when Tesla started and it was effectively the only choice versus a Nissan Leaf.

And yes, Lucid is still a new brand with very little name recognition in my experience.
 
In my Air
Nobody says there’s no room in the back seat
Nobody says it won’t fit in the trunk, or frunk for that matter
No one says it’s uncomfortable
Whatever quirks it has remaining make no difference to me at this time
Granted purchasing second hand GT vs new Touring gave me a better cost benefit but still
 
Aka-none said:
In my Air
Nobody says there’s no room in the back seat
Nobody says it won’t fit in the trunk, or frunk for that matter
No one says it’s uncomfortable
Whatever quirks it has remaining make no difference to me at this time
Granted purchasing second hand GT vs new Touring gave me a better cost benefit but still
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I am 5’8” and find getting in and out of the Air hugely annoying when I’ve had it as a loaner. I am not old. My kids also complain it’s just too low. I pulled up to a Corvette and I was markedly lower.

Look, amazing car and the Air is a great performer, but no idea how folks use it as an everyday driver. I hit my head falling in and climbing out and tried several seat positions. That said, I am very glad it works for so many people as Lucid needs it to sell.

Sorry, off topic.

Lucid needs the Gravity to sell. Period. Whatever they need to do to get more out there so people see how amazing they are!
 
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Ron_Burgundy said:
I am 5’8” and find getting in and out of the Air hugely annoying when I’ve had it as a loaner. I am not old. My kids also complain it’s just too low. I pulled up to a Corvette and I was markedly lower.

Look, amazing car and the Air is a great performer, but no idea how folks use it as an everyday driver. I hit my head falling in and climbing out and tried several seat positions. That said, I am very glad it works for so many people as Lucid needs it to sell.

Sorry, off topic.

Lucid needs the Gravity to sell. Period. Whatever they need to do to get more out there so people see how amazing they are!
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Same, almost 6 feet and I hit my head on the doorframe getting in and out of the Air almost every single time. Maybe with longer term driving but having driven one for a little over a week (10 day Turo rental) I did it constantly, including when I was dropping it off.

And it's not even just the height as I've driven some pretty low cars, it's the low height combined with the shape of the door frame.
 
I can also relate because I have this issue getting in & out of my wife's Taycan. My solution is to do sort a a modified "trust fall" and point my feet away from the car and sit my butt down in the seat first and then pull my legs in; that way I never hit my head. Getting out is the reverse so a trip with frequent stops is a good ab workout!
 
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I'm 6'2" and I've never hit my head getting into the car.

My seat is set as low as it will go, though. And I get in at an angle. And I use my legs for what they were meant for—holding my body up as it reposition it.

If you just drop in with zero resistance in your legs like you are letting go of a stone from the top of a cliff, sure who knows where your head is going to end up?

Gotta work on those squats, folks.

All kidding aside, I've seen lots of folks whack their head getting into my passenger seat. Mostly because my wife is 4'11" and has the seat set as high as it will go. That's a whole other story. Especially when you haven't gotten into an Air before. But you learn how to angle yourself, and you use your leg muscles, and you'll be fine.

It's no Lamborghini.
 
Haha, I thought I was the only one who hit my head on the pillar trying to get in the car! I never did that on RX7s or GTRs i had and I'm 6 feet tall. I love the air, can't wait until I own gravity someday. My wife is 4'11 too and she also said it is too low .
 
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I am 5’8” and find getting in and out of the Air hugely annoying when I’ve had it as a loaner. I am not old. My kids also complain it’s just too low. I pulled up to a Corvette and I was markedly lower.

Look, amazing car and the Air is a great performer, but no idea how folks use it as an everyday driver. I hit my head falling in and climbing out and tried several seat positions. That said, I am very glad it works for so many people as Lucid needs it to sell.

Sorry, off topic.

Lucid needs the Gravity to sell. Period. Whatever they need to do to get more out there so people see how amazing they are!
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I'm 5'11". It took me about 3 days to figure out and get used to the right motion for getting in and out and I don't ever bump my head any more.

Yes, it's a pretty low car, certainly more difficult to get in and out of than an SUV, but I'm finding it BARELY any more difficult than any other sedan/Coupe I've ever owned (Daihatsu Charade, Nissan 200Sx, Nissan Altima, Acura TL, Honda Civic, Honda Accord, Subaru Impreza, VW Jetta, Infiniti G37X, Toyota Camry, Toyota Avalon...)

Honestly my biggest complaint about getting in and out of the vehicle is the woefully inadequate detents that make it hard to get the door to a place where it stays open and doesn't try to close on my legs as I try to get in and out.

The height of entry doesn't even register in my mind any more.
 
I guess none of you have tried a GT40 as that door will take your head off.
The Lucid not so much once you find the best method, for you, as to getting in and out.
But then I’m coming from a lowered A3 tdi. That also is ground effects enhanced. This is not rocket science as I learned this back in high school from some NASA tech briefs. Oh wait that was mmmm rocket science; but that was like last century so everyone knows this.
 
exxxviii said:
I think you are wrong, because price absolutely matters. Price is what centers these cars in the top tier luxury class (excluding the ultra luxury Rolls & Bentley class). If the Gravity Grand Touring was a $95K car, we would be praising its value alongside other luxury cars like the Vistiq or EX90. Conversely, if Hyundai slapped a $120K price tag on the Ioniq 9, folks would expect better materials, audio, performance, range, etc. At $120K, Lucid and the Gravity's maturity issues are glaring. I think Lucid is playing with an out-of-date playbook that would have worked ten years ago, but is struggling today. There are too many competitors with high quality products and ownership experiences.

About 10 years ago, the Tesla Model S was selling for around $85K. That was roughly the same price as a BMW 7 Series. This is around $123K in today's dollars, coincidentally, the same price as a Gravity Grand Touring today. The 7 Series then and now is regarded as one of the top dogs of automotive luxury (excluding the ultra luxury class). The 2015 Tesla was not that a car great from a luxury standpoint. The support experience was rough, the cars were not built with the same high-level materials or craftmanship as a BMW 7 Series, the design was plain, and they had software and hardware problems. But the Model S offered a truly unique experience that nothing else offered, all the BEV stuff we know and love: supercar performance in a comfortable sedan, no gas stations, almost no regular maintenance, and they were rare and grabbed attention. So, some people were willing to spend BMW 7 Series luxury money on a Model S for its unique experience and overlook the issues. The Model S outsold the 7 Series back then. Today, the Model S is gone and there are many electric vehicle competitors at every price point. When the Model S ceased to be relevant in its luxury price class, it was deleted.

Lucid is asking premium luxury money for a car that has the problems of a 2015 Tesla. And the marketplace has many alternatives that do not share its issues with table stakes expectations. BMW is selling more 7 Series cars in the US than all of Lucid's sales. Tesla's sales in 2015 dwarf Lucid's sales today. Lucid is positioning the Gravity and Air in the highest tier of the luxury class and is charging luxury class money for them. But Lucid and the Gravity are not performing at that luxury class to justify the price to the pocketbooks of luxury buyers. The Gravity would have sold like gangbusters in 2015, but luxury buyers have higher expectations today. The Gravity is a great car, but it cannot sell at the volume Lucid needs in this luxury price tier until they can solve for more of those "bests" that luxury buyers expect. As Lucid works through its teething pains, it will achieve more of the "bests" that justify the price, but they are not there yet.

From my quick list of "bests" above, these are the areas Lucid needs to improve to have an earned position in its luxury price class. (These would not have been limiters for a luxury BEV in 2015, because the market had different expectations then.)
  • Best support - Lucid is among the worst at service and support in the country.
  • Best dependability - Lots of trips to the shops and odd behaviors still.
  • Best pedigree - Lucid is still building its pedigree, but it has a long way to go before luxury buyers see it the same as brands like BMW, Mercedes-Benz, Audi, and Lexus.
  • Best audio system - The Gravity and Air need an ultra premium offering that competes with the top tier systems in this luxury class.
  • Best tech package - They still have a few kinks to work out with PaaK, HUD, etc.
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Still disagree despite your long explanation. You say it should be on par with German luxury marques, yet they are not perfect. Your double standards are quite obvious.

You are getting Lamborghini Urus performance, almost Porsche Cayenne type handling, in the most spacious 3 seater that is not a bus, with the best efficiency, charging speeds and range. Did you even know that the Gravity charges faster at Tesla superchargers than a Tesla?

And to say, but it costs 100k so it should be perfect? You got your priorities all mixed up.

Your expectations need to be realistic! Gravity out of date tech? That says it all! Thank you for amusing me today!
 
doubletwist said:
I'm 5'11". It took me about 3 days to figure out and get used to the right motion for getting in and out and I don't ever bump my head any more.

Yes, it's a pretty low car, certainly more difficult to get in and out of than an SUV, but I'm finding it BARELY any more difficult than any other sedan/Coupe I've ever owned (Daihatsu Charade, Nissan 200Sx, Nissan Altima, Acura TL, Honda Civic, Honda Accord, Subaru Impreza, VW Jetta, Infiniti G37X, Toyota Camry, Toyota Avalon...)

Honestly my biggest complaint about getting in and out of the vehicle is the woefully inadequate detents that make it hard to get the door to a place where it stays open and doesn't try to close on my legs as I try to get in and out.

The height of entry doesn't even register in my mind any more.
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Well, there you go. I am not a sedan or coupe guy. Haven’t driven anything like that in over a decade.

Off topic. Sorry to get folks going.
 
zoomzoom said:
..I'm not sure too many serious prospective Gravity GT buyers even look at the Ioniq....
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My neighbor did in fact wind up taking a short term lease on an Ioniq 9 after just missing a great deal on a Gravity Dream. They're both reasonable choices at their respective price points.
 
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Still disagree despite your long explanation. You say it should be on par with German luxury marques, yet they are not perfect. Your double standards are quite obvious.

You are getting Lamborghini Urus performance, almost Porsche Cayenne type handling, in the most spacious 3 seater that is not a bus, with the best efficiency, charging speeds and range. Did you even know that the Gravity charges faster at Tesla superchargers than a Tesla?

And to say, but it costs 100k so it should be perfect? You got your priorities all mixed up.

Your expectations need to be realistic! Gravity out of date tech? That says it all! Thank you for amusing me today!
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It is not double-standard or bias. It is just simple data and observation. @zoomzoom's post above and its observation are spot on. We all wholly agree on this. "The Vistiq loses HANDILY in every single category other than price. Driving, comfort, luxury, passenger space, and OMG storage. They were so far apart that they aren't even comparable vehicles."

If you define the Gravity's class as luxury 3-row SUV, there are very few competitors: Escalade IQ, Vistiq, Gravity, EQS SUV, R1S, and EX90. And I think that the R1S and EX90 are a small stretch to consider them luxury. And yes, the Gravity will mostly trounce them all in efficiency, range, charging speed, acceleration, handling, space, storage, etc.

Yet the Gravity's sales are not class-leading. Not even close. In fact, they are stagnating. What do you think is holding Gravity sales back? (Monthly sale data from Good Car Bad Car.)

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I never said that Gravity had out of date tech. Not sure where you got that. I said it looks like Lucid is operating from an out-of-date playbook where it has no competitors and luxury buyers will give them grace for the flaws. I did say that their tech is lacking compared to other luxury SUVs, such as PaaK, HUD, and some of the software glitches they still have not ironed out.
 
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What do you think is holding Gravity sales back? (Monthly sale data from Good Car Bad Car.)
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The forum won't let me edit the above post... It looks like Good Car Bad Car may have missing or erroneous data in Lucid's monthly sales numbers. So, here is a quarterly view based on Cox Automotive's Electric Vehicle Sales Report data. More fun with tables and charts...

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This is a comparative look at what Rivian looked like at its R1S launch. It is not exactly a direct luxury comparison to the Gravity, but it represents a time when there were very few competitors in the marketplace for a car of this size, capability, and price. I reconciled the data between Good Car Bad Car and Cox Automotive, both had some quirks, but this is directionally accurate. What I find most interesting here is that after Rivian ironed out its initial production and delivery quirks, sales exploded and never looked back. They were selling more cars in a month at their launch than Gravity is selling in a quarter today. Again, these data beg the question, what do you think is holding Gravity sales down?
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Branding / footprint. Rivian with much more interest between coasts, with a niche product. Lucid, where found, conversely getting horse raced against the others, in "utility", "family" markets less apt to tolerate issues, that still want style points when paying up. BMW's iX5, etc., will reinforce the idea cars have to be introduced in a time-window, if you aren't a first-mover. Then, Cadillac/GM can tease product easily, in all 50 states. They will be around, independents can work on them and their lipstick rocks.

I had a delivery scheduled, Friday. With August front end incentives unchanged, Tourings stacking up (@ a proportionally fatter discount) along with a more leftover pile of GGT configs, IMO, Lucid may be wise to lift the broad discount on GGT in favor of corporate-dictated "credits", by VIN or config. Studio personnel evidently have less flexibility, as I witnessed a smaller discount get pulled in the last 2 weeks. Then, knowing lthr & premium purelux, DHP 7 seat GGT are nationally sold out (but for 2@ 120-130k), there was the one earlier in this thread fetching just $73k, at DeMuro's site? It's 8/3 and my head is still spinning down. I think risk, second to awareness, is holding Lucid back; somewhat inter-related.

I'd buy a new Touring all day, at 65-75k, if between it and Vistiq. Charging!?!?
 
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What I see here is Gravity sales on the increase and the competition, aside from R1S, on the decrease. Not a coincidence. Of course price matters but the Gravity is an obviously and objectively a superior product to go along with the price tag. Any other car on this list has at least one if not multiple enormous concession compared to the Gravity. Many people looking in the luxury >$100k category would pay an extra $10k or $20k over the competition if it meant a better car. Frankly, I and I'm sure others would pay an even larger margin rather than suffer a life with the Vistiq (see my prior anecdote above). The horror! (truly)

The reason the Gravity is not yet trouncing the competition in sales is not driven primarily by the price IMO. It's brand awareness and the scarlet letter of bad software and unreliability. Outside of certain demographics most people have probably never even heard of Lucid. Forget gutting the software team, the marketing team should have been shit canned long ago. It's a crying shame that most people know of Rivian but Lucid remains unknown to most. They are at different stages company maturity of course but Lucid needs to step it up big time.

To my second point, looking at early Gravity reviews from 2025 every single one of them raved about the amazing driving experience, comfort, space etc.....and condemned the vehicle, and the entire brand, with unreliable software and the #*!@$! KEY FOB - buyers beware! Once the damage is done to the reputation it is very difficult for the average person to change that perspective even if the software has improved which it of course has and is now largely excellent.

If given a long enough runway I am confident that enough people will obtain a Gravity and tell all their friends, co-workers, and neighbors how great it is and the tides will turn but that will take YEARS for the reputation of software reliability to improve and for sales to exceed the competition. Will they be funded long enough for that to happen just on the back of the Gravity's excellence? Who knows.

Lucid will live or die on how well the Earth/Cosmos launch goes. They know this. I have no doubt the vehicle will be class leading but they CAN NOT have another key FOB fiasco. People need to be able to get in the car and drive away 100% of the time. It's table stakes and the early Air/Gravity issues were, frankly, utterly embarrassing and inexcusable for a company that puts out such incredibly engineered vehicles. I truly believe these cars will shake the industry permanently and drive more thoughtful design in legacy makers, and that's good for everyone. It is unbelievable that a new car company has come in and made two of the best cars across every metric, by a mile, in their respective classes. Truly brilliant engineering and design.

#IStandWithLucid
 
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