Is full self driving being developed for Gravity?

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No big hurry but if not on horizon I may have to regretably trade for a Tesla Y. I was in a friends's Y and when he told it to go somewhere, it backed out of my driveway turned and went to the stop sign, looked both ways, and proceeded to the destination without any further driver input. I owned a Model S for 8 years and bought an Air, now a GGT.
Love it but I need the full self driving as it hurts so much to turn my head.
anybody know anything?
 
Gravity “should” be getting Tesla like FSD (L2++) by year end with the first phase being highway and then city streets sometime next year. At this stage it seems Air won’t be getting it as the hardware isn’t capable in the current models.

If you want to see what’s its capable of, check out the Mercedes CLA demo from CES. Uses the same hardware / software stack (Nvidia)
 
Gravity “should” be getting Tesla like FSD (L2++) by year end with the first phase being highway and then city streets sometime next year.
Last time I bought a car based on self driving "shoulds" was 2017. Fool me once, shame on me. That's not going to happen again.

Although, I'll stand in line for something like FSD and geared towards consumers (not Robotaxis - that's a different product) that is not from Tesla. It will be an interesting watch. 🍿
 
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Love it but I need the full self driving as it hurts so much to turn my head.
anybody know anything?
From the Lucid Owners event, yes, point to point driving is still being worked on. If things go well, we’ll get an update towards the end of the year.

I don’t expect Tesla level FSD, but an incremental step towards that. Fingers crossed!
 
From the Investor Day presentation it sounds like even Gravity has some limitations. L3 and L4 driving (eyes off/mind off) are planned for Lucid Cosmos and beyond.
 
No big hurry but if not on horizon I may have to regretably trade for a Tesla Y. I was in a friends's Y and when he told it to go somewhere, it backed out of my driveway turned and went to the stop sign, looked both ways, and proceeded to the destination without any further driver input. I owned a Model S for 8 years and bought an Air, now a GGT.
Love it but I need the full self driving as it hurts so much to turn my head.
anybody know anything?
i want to add some real-life experience. i just switched out my Air Touring for a 2026 Gravity Grand Touring. it has all the options available except the premium SurroundSound. i can share some comments on the ADAS part that is relevant to this topic:

the DreamDrivePro2 (or whatever they call their highest level ADAS) is VERY well-done. i am skeptical not of the possibilities of FSD, but of its incremental value. the incremental value of what Gravity provides with that system now is at its highest. it does everything that my previous Air did (with its highest level ADAS). and it does them better. it's lane assist is better, even when it comes to our curvy Taconic State Parkway. it slows down around curves much more reasonably and elegantly. there are some uncomfortable (but not hairy) curves here that people routinely complain about driving manally; the Gravity did those much better even hands-free. around those same curves, Air Hands-Free would turn itself off.

it does auto lane changes very well. this is a new feature from my Air to the Gravity. it does so responsibly, gets turned on and off responsibly, and it builds confidence in the driver's mind. it's "Assertive" driving mode makes these changes back and forth or cancels changes depending on other cars' behavior, in a manner that is a tad less 'assertive' than i would do manually, but it is something that i appreciate.

the visualization of the traffic on the cockpit is VERY well-done.

the full-FSD capabilities would hold very limited value to me. it is not whether it works, but the incremental value of it would be minimal. also, with the AI buildout, data center cap-ex going on in the economy, and the dwindling economic fortunes of just about every car manufacturers, i expect those additional capabilities to follow in Tesla's footsteps and be available only on a subscription basis. that will reduce the incremental value even more.

finally, the further hit to the incremental value would be: what would other people think either driving or riding in a car with full FSD turned on. i know that no one else in my household will touch it with a bargepole while running errands. i know i will turn it off for some of them if they are taking it out for a spin. i know quite a few of my friends and family members who will not appreciate (or refuse to) riding when it's on.

so, yeah, i would be fine with delays in delivering.

the Gravity is an incredibly more refined than the Air. everything is just a bit better (except handling, of course, because it's an SUV). i would like their attention on continuation of these refinements. there is more to be done, in the entire industry, on Car Operating System and User Experience generally.

the Head-Up-Display is functional but not refined. the two-way split between the car's own interface and CarPlay (or perhaps even AndroidAuto) is still messy and requires to many touches. in resolving some aspects of it, it has added more chaos in others. add to this two-way chaos a third one: AI driven voice assistants. iOS27 with Siri is an enormously useful software that is blended into everything in CarPlay. even in beta, one can see its value. i am sure AndroidAuto is doing the same. how that aspect is blended into the car's software (and its own AI perhaps) will add another set of software chaos and challenges.

i'd much rather Lucid focus on those things. full FSD in a family car (SUV) will have limited adoption. unless they do it for the additional subscription fees. in which case, i will opt out..
 
i want to add some real-life experience. i just switched out my Air Touring for a 2026 Gravity Grand Touring. it has all the options available except the premium SurroundSound. i can share some comments on the ADAS part that is relevant to this topic:

the DreamDrivePro2 (or whatever they call their highest level ADAS) is VERY well-done. i am skeptical not of the possibilities of FSD, but of its incremental value. the incremental value of what Gravity provides with that system now is at its highest. it does everything that my previous Air did (with its highest level ADAS). and it does them better. it's lane assist is better, even when it comes to our curvy Taconic State Parkway. it slows down around curves much more reasonably and elegantly. there are some uncomfortable (but not hairy) curves here that people routinely complain about driving manally; the Gravity did those much better even hands-free. around those same curves, Air Hands-Free would turn itself off.

it does auto lane changes very well. this is a new feature from my Air to the Gravity. it does so responsibly, gets turned on and off responsibly, and it builds confidence in the driver's mind. it's "Assertive" driving mode makes these changes back and forth or cancels changes depending on other cars' behavior, in a manner that is a tad less 'assertive' than i would do manually, but it is something that i appreciate.

the visualization of the traffic on the cockpit is VERY well-done.

the full-FSD capabilities would hold very limited value to me. it is not whether it works, but the incremental value of it would be minimal. also, with the AI buildout, data center cap-ex going on in the economy, and the dwindling economic fortunes of just about every car manufacturers, i expect those additional capabilities to follow in Tesla's footsteps and be available only on a subscription basis. that will reduce the incremental value even more.

finally, the further hit to the incremental value would be: what would other people think either driving or riding in a car with full FSD turned on. i know that no one else in my household will touch it with a bargepole while running errands. i know i will turn it off for some of them if they are taking it out for a spin. i know quite a few of my friends and family members who will not appreciate (or refuse to) riding when it's on.

so, yeah, i would be fine with delays in delivering.

the Gravity is an incredibly more refined than the Air. everything is just a bit better (except handling, of course, because it's an SUV). i would like their attention on continuation of these refinements. there is more to be done, in the entire industry, on Car Operating System and User Experience generally.

the Head-Up-Display is functional but not refined. the two-way split between the car's own interface and CarPlay (or perhaps even AndroidAuto) is still messy and requires to many touches. in resolving some aspects of it, it has added more chaos in others. add to this two-way chaos a third one: AI driven voice assistants. iOS27 with Siri is an enormously useful software that is blended into everything in CarPlay. even in beta, one can see its value. i am sure AndroidAuto is doing the same. how that aspect is blended into the car's software (and its own AI perhaps) will add another set of software chaos and challenges.

i'd much rather Lucid focus on those things. full FSD in a family car (SUV) will have limited adoption. unless they do it for the additional subscription fees. in which case, i will opt out..
I disagree about adoption. People who have Tesla's with HW4 (the latest hardware) absolutely use FSD all the time and love it. It may take a few drives for people to get comfortable but once they experience it and realize they have 10 eyes (cameras) all around the car who don't get distracted instead of 2 eyes that do easily get distracted they will love it too. I even see older people driving Tesla's in my area using FSD (you can tell because it comes to a complete stop at stops signs for a specific amount of time that no human driver would).

Losing FSD (and UI & acceleration) are the biggest things I miss from my Model X Plaid. I can't wait until they have something like FSD.
 
I disagree about adoption. People who have Tesla's with HW4 (the latest hardware) absolutely use FSD all the time and love it. It may take a few drives for people to get comfortable but once they experience it and realize they have 10 eyes (cameras) all around the car who don't get distracted instead of 2 eyes that do easily get distracted they will love it too. I even see older people driving Tesla's in my area using FSD (you can tell because it comes to a complete stop at stops signs for a specific amount of time that no human driver would).

Losing FSD (and UI & acceleration) are the biggest things I miss from my Model X Plaid. I can't wait until they have something like FSD.
I like both of your takes but I do have to agree with you pr4424 on the use of FSD. Every Tesla owner I know or have met (I go to a lot of car shows and EV events) who have a car capable of the latest and greatest version of FSD uses it almost all of the time. They absolutely love it (and are aware of its limitations and know they need to supervise and all) and rave about it when they get the chance. I rather think that if Gravity, and then Cosmos/Earth/other Lucid platform get a version of this, that many would use it. It's totally ok either way. I'm sure many would feel they don't want or trust it or don't want to pay a subscription (which I think you are correct in that it will be subscription based) but I think a great many people would find the value and use it a lot, if it is implemented well. The hands free highway is indeed done very well and IMO bodes well for the next steps.
 
There’s something very different about how Lucid has their visualization for driving versus Rivian and Tesla. Rivian looks like it’s “seeing” and drawing the road and lines, etc. Tesla does this even better than Rivian (of course as they’ve had more time).

Lucid shows very straight, pre-drawn (?) lines, etc - like it doesn’t actually “see”. Hard to explain.

Regardless, love the visualization with 3.6.0 and wish it was always visible.
 
We have a HW4 Model Y with FSD. I hate to say it, but nothing comes close ATM. My wife commutes every day. Not perfect but is very good. Her work address automatically comes up when she gets in the vehicle in the morning (synced with her calendar) she presses the FSD button and parks at her work address. Rinse and repeat for drive home. We transferred the functionality from a previous Model 3. I refuse to pay a subscription and that, along with well, Tesla, is why I will not buy another. I just want a good Autopilot function on freeways and I'm happy.
 
I refuse to pay a subscription and that, along with well, Tesla, is why I will not buy another. I just want a good Autopilot function on freeways and I'm happy.

I'm really of 2 minds regarding subscriptions for things like ADAS. On the one hand, all the companies trying to nickel and dime us by turning everything into a subscription (that doesn't need to be - eg. Heated seats a-la BMW) is getting old.

On the other hand, as someone who is very familiar with the hosting costs involved in running a large scale online service, I totally understand the need to have a steady stream of income to cover those kinds of ongoing costs involved in providing such a service when it's something that actually needs it.
 
I still don't understand the obsession with FSD over everything else that a car has to offer. I've tried it and yes, it's impressive, but other than that, Teslas are shit compared to my Gravity. To each their own.

Reminds of the GOAT comment on this forum from @JGard18
"Interesting you say you don’t like driving the car because it won’t drive itself well enough".
 
I just don't understand the concept of spending your own money on a robot driving you. An all-in subscription like a phone bill for so many miles per month + overages are way more sensible financially than buying a tincan to drive itself (which let's be honest Cybercab and stripped Model 3/Ys are). And no, once Uber and Tesla have their own fleets, nobody will pay you money to rent your car out while you are sleeping....
 
I just don't understand the concept of spending your own money on a robot driving you. An all-in subscription like a phone bill for so many miles per month + overages are way more sensible financially than buying a tincan to drive itself (which let's be honest Cybercab and stripped Model 3/Ys are). And no, once Uber and Tesla have their own fleets, nobody will pay you money to rent your car out while you are sleeping....
But Daddy Elon promised me they would!??!

/s
 
There’s something very different about how Lucid has their visualization for driving versus Rivian and Tesla. Rivian looks like it’s “seeing” and drawing the road and lines, etc. Tesla does this even better than Rivian (of course as they’ve had more time).

Lucid shows very straight, pre-drawn (?) lines, etc - like it doesn’t actually “see”. Hard to explain.

Regardless, love the visualization with 3.6.0 and wish it was always visible.

My guess is visualization will change significantly once they release point to point. Likely something like the attached from investor day earlier this year.
 

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I still don't understand the obsession with FSD over everything else that a car has to offer. I've tried it and yes, it's impressive, but other than that, Teslas are shit compared to my Gravity. To each their own. […]
There are times when I love to drive and there are times when driving is boring. I wamt FSD for the times it’s a chore to drive.

I chose the Gravity with everything it has to offer over FSD, canceling my Tesla order that was already in production. Still, I’m hoping Lucid continues to invest in FSD. It’s one of the main reasons Tesla drivers stay with Tesla. If Lucid puts FSD on the Cosmos, I can see the majority of the Model Y market shifting to Cosmos.

I’m hoping the FSD development will apply to both the Gravity and Cosmos - I don’t want the Gravity to be left behind on L3++. I’m fine with Cosmos having L4 and not the Gravity.

I think one of the big mistakes that Tesla made was abandoning the Model S and Model X (many years before the official discontinuation). Sure, the market is much smaller, but those were the top tier cars that anchored the reputation as having the best cars in the world. The Model 3 and Model Y are commodity products that are meh - FSD is keeping it alive.
 
There’s something very different about how Lucid has their visualization for driving versus Rivian and Tesla. Rivian looks like it’s “seeing” and drawing the road and lines, etc. Tesla does this even better than Rivian (of course as they’ve had more time).

Lucid shows very straight, pre-drawn (?) lines, etc - like it doesn’t actually “see”. Hard to explain.

Regardless, love the visualization with 3.6.0 and wish it was always visible.
Oh thanks for pointing that out so I can’t unsee it. I never thought in to much detail as it worked for what I wanted.
It now reminds me of an old Atari racing game. Sigh can’t play for points
 
I'm really of 2 minds regarding subscriptions for things like ADAS. On the one hand, all the companies trying to nickel and dime us by turning everything into a subscription (that doesn't need to be - eg. Heated seats a-la BMW) is getting old.

On the other hand, as someone who is very familiar with the hosting costs involved in running a large scale online service, I totally understand the need to have a steady stream of income to cover those kinds of ongoing costs involved in providing such a service when it's something that actually needs it.
They accepted those costs when they sold the product. If it’s anything like an os anywhere else then they have to support it for 7 years after it was declared obsolete
 
They accepted those costs when they sold the product. If it’s anything like an os anywhere else then they have to support it for 7 years after it was declared obsolete
On the other hand, if it’s anything like a traditional car the best you might get is a $600 stack of DVDs to update your maps and that’s it. Your analogy is to the wrong thing. L2++ and beyond is a service, not a product that you can really own. It is an ongoing cost to the company as you use it, not a one time thing. At least for now. You can buy the car (phone, laptop, etc) and get bug fixes to your OS for 7 years. You don’t get iCloud storage and cellular data and so on for free forever, or even for 7 years. At best you get a trial period. And if they priced all that in for 7 years, that thousand dollar iPhone would become what, $5k? $7k? Is that really what we want?
 
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